Ornamenting notes.

Double_G · 08-27-2005, 03:11 PM

I'm talking about flutter tounging, water tounging, rips, falls, anything that could be used to ornament a note I want to know about how and when to use it. Thanks in advance.

-Andrew

Double_G · 08-27-2005, 07:25 PM

Nobody has any advice...?

BigBadWolf · 08-27-2005, 07:33 PM

In what context?

Double_G · 08-27-2005, 07:36 PM

Nevermind. Would a moderator please delete this topic.

Manny Laureano · 08-27-2005, 08:24 PM

Hold on...

It sounds like you're talking about jazz effects to color a note. Is that right? If so, it's not an unreasonable question, DG. But maybe posting it in the jazz players section would get a better, more helpful response than just more questions from us.

ML

Double_G · 08-27-2005, 08:28 PM

Yes, that's what I was refering to, but not just on jazz/lead part, I'm tlakin legit stuff too.

Tootsall · 08-28-2005, 12:42 AM

But what, precisely, is your question? Are you asking when to do it (ornament)? What to do? How to do whatever? If you rephrase your real question perhaps someone might feel more comfortable attempting to respond.

Double_G · 08-28-2005, 08:48 AM

Ok, let me narrow the question. Throw out legit music, I am strictly talking jazz. Are there any other manipulations of the tone and articulation that I had not mentioned(ie. Water tounge, flutter tounge, rips up to a note, falls off of a note)? And when during a solo would be a good time to use one of these articulation variants(ie. a long held note such as a whole note or a half note or something shorter like a few quarter notes or a eigth note run)?

So my precise question is...are there any manipulations I didn't mention and for the ones I did (and didn't) how do you use them and when in an improv. solo would you most likely use them?

Is that better?

wiseone2 · 08-28-2005, 09:34 AM

Jimmy Maxwell's book" The First Trumpeter" covers all the things you ask about.
Jimmy was a lead player's lead player.
A very good book to own!
Wilmer

wiseone2 · 08-28-2005, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double_G

I'm talking about flutter tounging, water tounging, rips, falls, anything that could be used to ornament a note I want to know about how and when to use it. Thanks in advance.

-Andrew

Andrew.......I got to know.....what the heck is water tonguing?
Wilmer

08-27-2005, 03:11 PM	#1 (permalink)
Double_G Pianissimo User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Gordonsville, TN Posts: 195	Ornamenting notes. I'm talking about flutter tounging, water tounging, rips, falls, anything that could be used to ornament a note I want to know about how and when to use it. Thanks in advance. -Andrew __________________ King Silver Flair 2055S Getzen 770 SG Gold Series Bundy Series II cornet Music is a more potent instrument than any other for education. -Plato

08-27-2005, 07:25 PM	#2 (permalink)
Double_G Pianissimo User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Gordonsville, TN Posts: 195	Nobody has any advice...? __________________ King Silver Flair 2055S Getzen 770 SG Gold Series Bundy Series II cornet Music is a more potent instrument than any other for education. -Plato

08-27-2005, 07:33 PM	#3 (permalink)
BigBadWolf Piano User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 312	In what context? __________________ Kevin

08-27-2005, 07:36 PM	#4 (permalink)
Double_G Pianissimo User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Gordonsville, TN Posts: 195	Nevermind. Would a moderator please delete this topic. __________________ King Silver Flair 2055S Getzen 770 SG Gold Series Bundy Series II cornet Music is a more potent instrument than any other for education. -Plato

08-27-2005, 08:28 PM	#6 (permalink)
Double_G Pianissimo User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Gordonsville, TN Posts: 195	Yes, that's what I was refering to, but not just on jazz/lead part, I'm tlakin legit stuff too. __________________ King Silver Flair 2055S Getzen 770 SG Gold Series Bundy Series II cornet Music is a more potent instrument than any other for education. -Plato

08-27-2005, 08:24 PM	#5 (permalink)
Manny Laureano Utimate User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: USA Posts: 5,989	Hold on... It sounds like you're talking about jazz effects to color a note. Is that right? If so, it's not an unreasonable question, DG. But maybe posting it in the jazz players section would get a better, more helpful response than just more questions from us. ML

08-28-2005, 12:42 AM	#7 (permalink)
Tootsall Fortissimo User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Yee HAW! Posts: 4,641	But what, precisely, is your question? Are you asking when to do it (ornament)? What to do? How to do whatever? If you rephrase your real question perhaps someone might feel more comfortable attempting to respond.

08-28-2005, 08:48 AM	#8 (permalink)
Double_G Pianissimo User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Gordonsville, TN Posts: 195	Ok, let me narrow the question. Throw out legit music, I am strictly talking jazz. Are there any other manipulations of the tone and articulation that I had not mentioned(ie. Water tounge, flutter tounge, rips up to a note, falls off of a note)? And when during a solo would be a good time to use one of these articulation variants(ie. a long held note such as a whole note or a half note or something shorter like a few quarter notes or a eigth note run)? So my precise question is...are there any manipulations I didn't mention and for the ones I did (and didn't) how do you use them and when in an improv. solo would you most likely use them? Is that better? __________________ King Silver Flair 2055S Getzen 770 SG Gold Series Bundy Series II cornet Music is a more potent instrument than any other for education. -Plato

08-28-2005, 09:34 AM	#9 (permalink)
wiseone2 Artitst in Residence Forte User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Brooklyn,NY Posts: 2,461	Jimmy Maxwell's book" The First Trumpeter" covers all the things you ask about. Jimmy was a lead player's lead player. A very good book to own! Wilmer __________________ Be sure Brain is engaged before putting Mouthpiece in gear. S.Suark 1951

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