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    Re: Perfect pitch and transposing instruments

    There are a lot of famous classical composers in that list of people with perfect pitch .... Bach, Beethoven, Chopin, Bartok, Motzart, Rimsky-Korsakov. That seems like a significant pattern.

    However, the people hosting the list are selling a course to TEACH you perfect pitch. I thought that you couldn't learn perfect pitch, but just either had it or not???


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    Re: Perfect pitch and transposing instruments

    Quote Originally Posted by turtlejimmy View Post
    There are a lot of famous classical composers in that list of people with perfect pitch .... Bach, Beethoven, Chopin, Bartok, Motzart, Rimsky-Korsakov. That seems like a significant pattern.

    However, the people hosting the list are selling a course to TEACH you perfect pitch. I thought that you couldn't learn perfect pitch, but just either had it or not???
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    Turtle, I really don't know whether one can learn "perfect pitch" but I do think the vocalists mentioned (and others) have learned sufficiently to stay in tune with the instrumental music supporting them and well enough to sing a capella those songs they've memorized.

    I once heard a demonstration of an instrumentalist who played songs in every key and would change the tempos etc. to many rhythms. It was very impressive, but some just didn't click with what I was familiar with. Dixie was composed by Walter Donaldson in C Major, but I prefer to play it in D Major on my Bb trumpet. Works for me!

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    Re: Perfect pitch and transposing instruments

    Dixie was composed by Walter Donaldson in C Major, but I prefer to play it in D Major on my Bb trumpet. Works for me!
    If you are really doing that then you actually are playing it in concert C major, that how it will sound to the listener.
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    Re: Perfect pitch and transposing instruments

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil986 View Post
    If you are really doing that then you actually are playing it in concert C major, that how it will sound to the listener.
    No, when I cite key signatures I always do so in concert key, in this instance D Major for the Bb trumpet would be 4 sharps as in appearance only would look like E Major in concert key. Too, of course, I'm playing 2 semi-tones higher than that for a C instrument that if they were to accompany me would also have to play in D Major with two sharps. It's just something I learned when the key signature is called from the conductor's podium. I just think Dixie has more "snap" and brilliance played higher and with a faster tempo. If a conductor wanted to change key signature, do you think he/she would tell each instrument type (Bb, C, D, Eb, F, and BBb) how they should play it. Ain't gonna happen in my world!


    However, I made a big boo boo! The song I referred to is NOT Dixie, but is Carolina in the Mornin'. Walter Donaldson was a pianist and indoctrinated into the Songwriters Hall of Fame. Dixie is attributed to Daniel Emmett, but has many challenges as to origin. Oops, such happens when you bring a Yankee to the the South (me).

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    Re: Perfect pitch and transposing instruments

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Lee View Post
    Turtle, I really don't know whether one can learn "perfect pitch" but I do think the vocalists mentioned (and others) have learned sufficiently to stay in tune with the instrumental music supporting them and well enough to sing a capella those songs they've memorized.
    It may not be possible to learn perfect pitch. However, over time, you might become familiar enough with certain pitches that they become internalized. As an example, my college Band Director said he could pretty consistently sing a Db and Bb, two pitches which are quite common in Band literature.
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