Pointless Horn Cannibalism...

tutin_trumpeta · 10-20-2009, 06:26 AM

Yesterday I was trawling through page after page of trumpet stuff on eBay (.com instead of .co.uk - for a change) and I spotted various bits of an Olds Ambassador for sale. Normally, this is quite usual to see bits of old horn that people have salvaged from unplayable instruments, but there seemed to be lots of parts all from the same seller. Upon closer inspection, that same seller is selling a whole Olds Ambassador but not as one piece - all as separate lots... I checked and every last little bit was there as it's own item (or paired in the case of the braces, and in 3's for valve tops etc.).
It saddens me that someone would do this to what looks like a perfectly good horn...

Why would someone do this?

Nick

Vulgano Brother · 10-20-2009, 09:18 AM

I guess the parts are greater than the sum of it all....

edcon1981 · 10-20-2009, 10:13 AM

well it's not entirely difficult to find a good olds ambassador nowadays, but eventually that well will run dry. he may even make more money parting out that horn than he would selling it whole.

also look at it this way, if it weren't for people parting out horns where would someone like me find replacement parts to keep my two vintage olds playing?

gzent · 10-20-2009, 10:14 AM

If the plating is worn off the valve pistons (or there is some other problem with a piston) then the value of the whole horn is greatly reduced. Perhaps they just want to get some value out of it.

gbdeamer · 10-20-2009, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tutin_trumpeta

It saddens me that someone would do this to what looks like a perfectly good horn...

Why would someone do this?

Nick

I don't have a problem with it. There are lots of Ambassadors out there with life left in them so replacement parts are needed. The seller in questions might get a few more dollars (not hundreds) for parting them out, and those in need of parts will get good ones...

MTROSTER · 10-20-2009, 11:27 AM

Is it really anyone's business except the person who owns the horn? What's next;the state horn commissioner in charge of preservation of trumpets?

Gaucho Viejo · 10-20-2009, 11:46 AM

I don't think Nick was criticizing the practice - just a little confused by it. I have my own doubts whether selling the horn off "piece meal" is going to give the owner much more return than selling it as a "unit" but, as you say, it's his business - maybe he knows something we don't.

edcon1981 · 10-20-2009, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTROSTER

Is it really anyone's business except the person who owns the horn? What's next;the state horn commissioner in charge of preservation of trumpets?

it's called an opinion and a topic of conversation. the only one passing judgement here is you.

Gaucho Viejo · 10-20-2009, 12:02 PM

Though the referenced "horn commissioner" might be a good thing in response to the Alucards of this world (probably shouldn't have brought him up when what we need is a calming influence). Relax, everyone (kinda ironic coming from me, eh?).

rowuk · 10-20-2009, 07:00 PM

An Ambassador doesn't bother me. A Schilke or Monette would make me scratch my head though.

America, land of the free, home of the brave.

10-20-2009, 06:26 AM	#1
tutin_trumpeta Pianissimo User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Hertfordshire, UK Posts: 115	Pointless Horn Cannibalism... Yesterday I was trawling through page after page of trumpet stuff on eBay (.com instead of .co.uk - for a change) and I spotted various bits of an Olds Ambassador for sale. Normally, this is quite usual to see bits of old horn that people have salvaged from unplayable instruments, but there seemed to be lots of parts all from the same seller. Upon closer inspection, that same seller is selling a whole Olds Ambassador but not as one piece - all as separate lots... I checked and every last little bit was there as it's own item (or paired in the case of the braces, and in 3's for valve tops etc.). It saddens me that someone would do this to what looks like a perfectly good horn... Why would someone do this? Nick __________________ Nick Jolly Life is something like a trumpet. If you don't put anything in, you won't get anything out. - William Christopher Handy Yamaha YTR636 Bb Trumpet Olds Recording Bb Trumpet Olds Studio Bb Trumpet Besson Sovereign Bb Cornet Elkhart Flugel

10-20-2009, 09:18 AM	#2
Vulgano Brother Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 4,253	Re: Pointless Horn Cannibalism... I guess the parts are greater than the sum of it all.... __________________ "A tool good enough to be so used and not too good" C.S. Lewis That Hideous Strength www.letsbuildhope.org

10-20-2009, 10:13 AM	#3
edcon1981 Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: South Philly Posts: 801	Re: Pointless Horn Cannibalism... well it's not entirely difficult to find a good olds ambassador nowadays, but eventually that well will run dry. he may even make more money parting out that horn than he would selling it whole. also look at it this way, if it weren't for people parting out horns where would someone like me find replacement parts to keep my two vintage olds playing? __________________ Ed Con... 1890's (est) LeFevre 691 Cornet 1890's (est) Harwood "Solo Model" Cornet 1954 Olds (LA) Ambassador Cornet 1956 Olds (EF) Ambassador Trumpet 1989 Selmer Bundy Trumpet 2007 Kanstul KSB100 3-Valve Bugle "Villains always have antidotes... they're funny that way. "

10-20-2009, 10:14 AM	#4
gzent Forte User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rochester, MN Posts: 1,876	Re: Pointless Horn Cannibalism... If the plating is worn off the valve pistons (or there is some other problem with a piston) then the value of the whole horn is greatly reduced. Perhaps they just want to get some value out of it. __________________ www.bethanybrass.com - Helping fellow trumpet players achieve musical excellence

10-20-2009, 11:27 AM	#6
MTROSTER Pianissimo User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 89	Re: Pointless Horn Cannibalism... Is it really anyone's business except the person who owns the horn? What's next;the state horn commissioner in charge of preservation of trumpets?

10-20-2009, 11:46 AM	#7
Gaucho Viejo Pianissimo User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Palouse, Washington Posts: 106	Re: Pointless Horn Cannibalism... I don't think Nick was criticizing the practice - just a little confused by it. I have my own doubts whether selling the horn off "piece meal" is going to give the owner much more return than selling it as a "unit" but, as you say, it's his business - maybe he knows something we don't. __________________ “Beware of practicing your righteousness before men to be noticed by them; otherwise you have no reward with your Father who is in heaven” - Matthew 6:1

10-20-2009, 12:02 PM	#9
Gaucho Viejo Pianissimo User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Palouse, Washington Posts: 106	Re: Pointless Horn Cannibalism... Though the referenced "horn commissioner" might be a good thing in response to the Alucards of this world (probably shouldn't have brought him up when what we need is a calming influence). Relax, everyone (kinda ironic coming from me, eh?). __________________ “Beware of practicing your righteousness before men to be noticed by them; otherwise you have no reward with your Father who is in heaven” - Matthew 6:1

10-20-2009, 07:00 PM	#10
rowuk Moderator Utimate User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 7,364	Re: Pointless Horn Cannibalism... An Ambassador doesn't bother me. A Schilke or Monette would make me scratch my head though. America, land of the free, home of the brave. __________________ Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

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