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| Pianissimo User
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Maine
Posts: 99
| practice suggestions hey manny, i have been thinking about how one should go about practicing and came to 2 general points. one is to play it slowly with no mistakes and gradually build up speed over time and the other is to dive right in cleaning it up later. an example could be the clarke third study, on the 3rd and 4rth pages with the lip slurs, i can do it fast but i use bad technique in my embrosure...or i can do it slow correctly but not be up to speed. which way has worked for you in the past? i have teachers that either say one or the other. thanks...patrick |
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__________________ Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. - Rich Cook | |
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| Utimate User
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: USA
Posts: 5,989
| I'm a believer in the "slow first!" method. I believe that success at each pratcice session is more valuable than throwing yourself into a piece too quickly. The only exception is sightreading which should be part of EVERY session, especially. There, you throw yourself in and improve your ability to read arpeggios and scale patterns (the essence of sightreading) by doing so. ML |
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| Forte User | I'd like to expand on Manny's thoughts, if I may. Practice makes permanent. Take it slow first; slow enough that it is mistake-free. Increasing tempo gradually ensures that you're practicing the right things over and over again so they will never be wrong. That's how you build reliability and consistency. |
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| Mezzo Forte User
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Saint Paul, MN
Brand: Yamaha, Bach, Getzen
Posts: 730
| as above, dont forget our old friend mr. metronome though to help promote eveness and steadiness. (i know he doesnt keep time with me and you want to throw it into the wall but it is the best thing i know for doing this) |
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| Mezzo Piano User
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Tempe, Arizona
Brand: Monette (MC-61)
Posts: 616
| Patrick, There is an important concept from the Kenny Werner book (Effortless Mastery) called The Learning Diamond. Draw a diamond and label each of the points with the following: 1) Play Effortlessly, 2) Play Fast, 3) Play Perfectly, and 4) Play the Entire Example. His whole book is about effortless mastery (the state where learning can most easily take place) so he says you must practice everything from this effortless "space". With that in mind you can play two other aspects of The Learning Diamond at one time, but not all three. So you must choose how you want to practice. If you want to play the example perfectly, this would mean that to play the whole example you cannot play it fast. That’s the advice that is most common and really makes the most sense. But you can explore other parts of The Learning Diamond too. Play effortlessly, Play Fast, and Play Perfectly. To do this you can’t play the entire example, but the small pieces that you do play will be great. Play effortlessly, Play Fast, and Play the Entire Example. You must accept mistakes if you choose this approach. This essentially throws some abandon into your playing and pushes the limits. Good to go here occasionally, but most of your practice should be spent in the other areas of the diamond. |
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| Pianissimo User
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Maine
Posts: 99
| wow, those are some great points...i will have to pick up a copy of that book |
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__________________ Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. - Rich Cook | |
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| Forte User
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Minnesota
Brand: Springer/Sig/Glock/HK
Posts: 1,273
| You guys practice???? |
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| Piano User
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA
Posts: 306
| Quote:
Trumpet Player picks up the horn and it feels horrible and sounds worse, "I'm not practicing today! This is awful.” Next day, Trumpet Player picks up the horn and it feels solid and sounds fantastic, “This is great! I don’t need to practice today!” -Kelly | |
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__________________ “This art is acquired only by laborious studies, for the rebellious nature of the instrument demands a great aptitude coupled with a persevering willingness to become a master of it.” – F.G.A. Dauverné (1857) | ||
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