Preferred form of vibrato

jazz9 · 12-12-2007, 06:48 PM

What's your preferred form of vibrato? I personally like to create vibrato with my lips, but there are a lot who use their throats or actually shake the trumpet a little bit on sustained notes. Does anyone know if one is any better than another?

Dale Proctor · 12-12-2007, 06:54 PM

I prefer lip vibrato, but whatever works......

Remember, a little goes a long way.

Vulgano Brother · 12-12-2007, 06:58 PM

Do you really use your lips, or your jaw when creating a vibrato? There are two forms of vibrato, one of pitch and the other of volume. Trumpeters use pretty much exclusively the pitch variety, and in classical circles the jaw vibrato is preferred. Exceptions to this rule? Heck yeah, tons. Try learning them all (as well as no vibrato--very important!) and use them musically.

Have fun!

jazz9 · 12-12-2007, 07:00 PM

I'm pretty sure I use my lips, but I could be using my jaw. I started out with throat vibrato, then sort of naturally moved to lip (maybe jaw).

Patric_Bernard · 12-12-2007, 07:31 PM

I Use my jaw when i do vibrato... its just seems to work better lol

Toobz · 12-12-2007, 10:41 PM

I'm a jaw user on both trumpet and sax.

brem · 12-12-2007, 11:01 PM

Depends what effect is desired. Jaw vibrato can't be as aggressive as the vibrato shaking the horn.

Using both. Different situations command different technique.

Patric_Bernard · 12-12-2007, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brem

Depends what effect is desired. Jaw vibrato can't be as aggressive as the vibrato shaking the horn.

Using both. Different situations command different technique.

True... you cant get that nice jazzy vibrato without shaking the horn a little... it just sounds awesome

rowuk · 12-13-2007, 05:23 AM

The type of question what is "better" is actually the issue here. It is unfortunate when music gets reduced to "better or worse".

If we are burning with desire, WE WANT IT ALL - regardless of what it is. A technique that we have learned will find its way into our music - hopefully making a statement that is as unique as our personality!

Vibrato comes in many forms: jaw (yah-yah,yah), tongue (taa-ee-aa-ee-aa), shaking the horn and even from the diaphrgm in some cases. Like any other facet of our playing, it needs to be harnessed to become musically viable and that means practice. All forms CAN be usefull in ALL types of music depending on the musical taste expressed by the player.

WE have to practice and how to implement is learned by listening to the masters -. not necessarily only trumpet players!
Unique vibrato? listen to:
Maurice André (3 or 4 notes played and you recognise who it is!)
Hakan Hardenberger
Bud Herseth (his vibrato changed with age so recordings from the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s are all significant)
Manny Laureano (Mr. Elegant as far as I am concerned - he took over this position from Gil Johnson in Philadelphia!)
Chet Baker
Miles
Jasha Heifetz- Violin
Jame Galway - flute
Yo-Yo Ma - Cello
and countless others that TMers will add.

Passion+desire=insatiable urge to practice!

Dale Proctor · 12-13-2007, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vulgano Brother

Do you really use your lips, or your jaw when creating a vibrato?...

Well, I answered lips, since that's how the question was asked, but it really is a jaw vibrato in my case. Creating a vibrato by varying mouthpiece pressure with horn movement has never worked for me (or maybe it's just that I don't like the sound I get doing it).

12-12-2007, 06:48 PM	#1 (permalink)
jazz9 Piano User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 294	Preferred form of vibrato What's your preferred form of vibrato? I personally like to create vibrato with my lips, but there are a lot who use their throats or actually shake the trumpet a little bit on sustained notes. Does anyone know if one is any better than another?

12-12-2007, 06:54 PM	#2 (permalink)
Dale Proctor Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Heart of Dixie Posts: 750	Re: Preferred form of vibrato I prefer lip vibrato, but whatever works...... Remember, a little goes a long way. __________________ "Brass bands are all very well in their place - outdoors and several miles away." - Sir Thomas Beecham Olde Towne Brass www.otbrass.com Brass Band of Huntsville www.brassbandofhuntsville.org

12-12-2007, 06:58 PM	#3 (permalink)
Vulgano Brother Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Home Posts: 3,276	Re: Preferred form of vibrato Do you really use your lips, or your jaw when creating a vibrato? There are two forms of vibrato, one of pitch and the other of volume. Trumpeters use pretty much exclusively the pitch variety, and in classical circles the jaw vibrato is preferred. Exceptions to this rule? Heck yeah, tons. Try learning them all (as well as no vibrato--very important!) and use them musically. Have fun! __________________ "A tool good enough to be so used and not too good" C.S. Lewis That Hideous Strength www.letsbuildhope.org

12-12-2007, 07:00 PM	#4 (permalink)
jazz9 Piano User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 294	Re: Preferred form of vibrato I'm pretty sure I use my lips, but I could be using my jaw. I started out with throat vibrato, then sort of naturally moved to lip (maybe jaw).

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Toobz Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Prescott Valley , AZ Posts: 610	Re: Preferred form of vibrato I'm a jaw user on both trumpet and sax. __________________ Conn 10B New Era trumpet Martin Committee cornet And lots of other old and smelly stuff !

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brem Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Quebec City, QC, Canada Posts: 693	Re: Preferred form of vibrato Depends what effect is desired. Jaw vibrato can't be as aggressive as the vibrato shaking the horn. Using both. Different situations command different technique. __________________ brem ----- NYTC Stage 1 California Light - Wedge 3C cup w/ Warburton 7 backbore mpc Bach Stradivarius Bb Model 37 * #124xxx (circa 1975) - Schilke 15B mpc Yamaha YFH-731 Flugelhorn #000xxx - Yamaha 14F4-GP mpc

12-13-2007, 05:23 AM	#9 (permalink)
rowuk Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 4,624	Re: Preferred form of vibrato The type of question what is "better" is actually the issue here. It is unfortunate when music gets reduced to "better or worse". If we are burning with desire, WE WANT IT ALL - regardless of what it is. A technique that we have learned will find its way into our music - hopefully making a statement that is as unique as our personality! Vibrato comes in many forms: jaw (yah-yah,yah), tongue (taa-ee-aa-ee-aa), shaking the horn and even from the diaphrgm in some cases. Like any other facet of our playing, it needs to be harnessed to become musically viable and that means practice. All forms CAN be usefull in ALL types of music depending on the musical taste expressed by the player. WE have to practice and how to implement is learned by listening to the masters -. not necessarily only trumpet players! Unique vibrato? listen to: Maurice André (3 or 4 notes played and you recognise who it is!) Hakan Hardenberger Bud Herseth (his vibrato changed with age so recordings from the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s are all significant) Manny Laureano (Mr. Elegant as far as I am concerned - he took over this position from Gil Johnson in Philadelphia!) Chet Baker Miles Jasha Heifetz- Violin Jame Galway - flute Yo-Yo Ma - Cello and countless others that TMers will add. Passion+desire=insatiable urge to practice! __________________ Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again. Last edited by rowuk; 12-13-2007 at 05:25 AM.

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