Production of tone and articulation/Point of attack.

Double_G · 08-07-2005, 05:51 PM

I have noticed recently in my practices that I am losing my tone a bit when my articulations become more rapid. How can I remedy this? Got any tips or exercises.

I have also noticed my point of attack is quite often incorrect. Van corrected my point of attack in lessons last year(I was tounging through my teeth). But, I guess I didn't really get the feel for the exact point where the tounge shoudl strike the ridge behind the teeth. Can anyone help me correct this with a exercise or something of the like. If long tones could have fixed it I am going to be very upset.

BigBadWolf · 08-07-2005, 06:03 PM

Think about the end of the note.

Double_G · 08-07-2005, 06:16 PM

? Explain please.

Heavens2kadonka · 08-07-2005, 06:23 PM

When you lose tone in rapid articulations, it means your tongue is moving too slow, and you're having to blow past the tongue to get to the lips. The tongue should interrupt air, not obstruct. The tongue should hit, then BACK OFF. Thats whats killing your tone in rapid articulations. your tongue is being lazy.

Van

Double_G · 08-07-2005, 06:25 PM

Got a way to fix it when lessons start Tuesday?

Heavens2kadonka · 08-07-2005, 06:29 PM

Just think about this problem, and visualize what you need to to change this. That works better than anything I can give you. Also, be sure to play through pieces or exerpts that require the lighter articulations.

I do have a good exercise for it.

Van

dizforprez · 08-07-2005, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double_G

I have also noticed my point of attack is quite often incorrect. Van corrected my point of attack in lessons last year(I was tounging through my teeth). But, I guess I didn't really get the feel for the exact point where the tounge shoudl strike the ridge behind the teeth. Can anyone help me correct this with a exercise or something of the like. If long tones could have fixed it I am going to be very upset.

I think it really doesnt matter where you tongue as long as it sounds good.

Try single tonguing Arban's page 183 to work it out.

tptshark · 08-07-2005, 08:45 PM

I always try to think of a constant stream of compressed air, with the tongue "bouncing" up to it. The airstream never stops, but is interrupted for the smallest possible time as the tongue flicks up to the back of the teeth. When the tongue hits it should be immediately "blown" back from whence it came by the strength of the air column.

In my experience, sloppy tonguing more often than not results from not enough compression in the airstream. Practice Clarke studies slowly, concentrating on maintianing the air column.

Hope that helps you - good luck!

wiseone2 · 08-07-2005, 10:10 PM

For me, speech has always been the answer.
My tongue is placed where I say the words"The or They." Thou and Though also work. Say the words in sixteenth notes.....feel the action of the tongue.
Play a G in the staff, tonguing the same place.
I use the tip of the tongue on the front teeth.
Keep it simple

Wilmer

tpter1 · 08-08-2005, 09:21 AM

Consistent placement can also be brought about through flutter-tonguing the long notes in Arban's syncopation studies. Also, look at Longinotti etude #2. Try for a smooth connected style of articulation; think of the forte as indicating "full", rather than loud.

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Double_G Pianissimo User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Gordonsville, TN Posts: 195	Production of tone and articulation/Point of attack. I have noticed recently in my practices that I am losing my tone a bit when my articulations become more rapid. How can I remedy this? Got any tips or exercises. I have also noticed my point of attack is quite often incorrect. Van corrected my point of attack in lessons last year(I was tounging through my teeth). But, I guess I didn't really get the feel for the exact point where the tounge shoudl strike the ridge behind the teeth. Can anyone help me correct this with a exercise or something of the like. If long tones could have fixed it I am going to be very upset.
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08-07-2005, 06:16 PM	#3 (permalink)
Double_G Pianissimo User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Gordonsville, TN Posts: 195	? Explain please.
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08-07-2005, 06:23 PM	#4 (permalink)
Heavens2kadonka Forte User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Carthage, TN Posts: 1,284	When you lose tone in rapid articulations, it means your tongue is moving too slow, and you're having to blow past the tongue to get to the lips. The tongue should interrupt air, not obstruct. The tongue should hit, then BACK OFF. Thats whats killing your tone in rapid articulations. your tongue is being lazy. Van
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08-07-2005, 06:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
Double_G Pianissimo User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Gordonsville, TN Posts: 195	Got a way to fix it when lessons start Tuesday?
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08-07-2005, 06:29 PM	#6 (permalink)
Heavens2kadonka Forte User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Carthage, TN Posts: 1,284	Just think about this problem, and visualize what you need to to change this. That works better than anything I can give you. Also, be sure to play through pieces or exerpts that require the lighter articulations. I do have a good exercise for it. Van
	__________________ Stage 1 California Light '94 Bach Strad 37 1900 Eb Cornet LOUD Steve Patrick 10 1/2 C LOUD LM93

08-07-2005, 06:03 PM	#2 (permalink)
BigBadWolf Piano User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 312	Think about the end of the note.

08-07-2005, 08:45 PM	#8 (permalink)
tptshark Pianissimo User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Australia Posts: 69	I always try to think of a constant stream of compressed air, with the tongue "bouncing" up to it. The airstream never stops, but is interrupted for the smallest possible time as the tongue flicks up to the back of the teeth. When the tongue hits it should be immediately "blown" back from whence it came by the strength of the air column. In my experience, sloppy tonguing more often than not results from not enough compression in the airstream. Practice Clarke studies slowly, concentrating on maintianing the air column. Hope that helps you - good luck!

08-07-2005, 10:10 PM	#9 (permalink)
wiseone2 Artitst in Residence Forte User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Brooklyn,NY Posts: 2,153	For me, speech has always been the answer. My tongue is placed where I say the words"The or They." Thou and Though also work. Say the words in sixteenth notes.....feel the action of the tongue. Play a G in the staff, tonguing the same place. I use the tip of the tongue on the front teeth. Keep it simple Wilmer
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08-08-2005, 09:21 AM	#10 (permalink)
tpter1 Forte User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern New York Brand: Lawler Posts: 2,309	Consistent placement can also be brought about through flutter-tonguing the long notes in Arban's syncopation studies. Also, look at Longinotti etude #2. Try for a smooth connected style of articulation; think of the forte as indicating "full", rather than loud.
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