Professionals that struggled

trumpetpimp · 08-18-2005, 03:54 PM

Are there any big name, professional trumpet players that struggled with their fundamentals? It seems like every big name I meet and ask about range or fundamentals said that it really tended to come pretty easy to them. It's tough for me to know who to trust when a lot of the players that we admire, although they did practice for many hours a day, pretty much developed their excellent sound, range, and ears without much struggle.

For example: I can't imagaine Wayne Bergeron would be a really good person to study with to help develop your high range since he was playing double B's and C's in grade 7 and 8. If it came natural to him how would he know what it takes to learn to play high? If you've already got a searing double G he would be great to talk about how to lead the band but I don't imagine he's going to help you learn how to play that G. Y'know?

Are there any professional trumpet players that struggled through range and response issues before figuring out what it take to play well with consistancy?

trickg · 08-18-2005, 04:04 PM

I have heard that there was a point in time in Phil Driscolls life where he really struggled with range and endurance and somebody helped to set him straight, but I don't know how valid the story is since I got it second hand.

PhatmonB6 · 08-18-2005, 04:08 PM

I would have to say it was God Almighty that helped Mr. Driscoll with his struggles and tribulations. Praise God Almighty!!!!

BigBadWolf · 08-18-2005, 04:09 PM

Bud Herseth crashed his car, not wearing a seatbelt, flew through the windshield. Raphael Mendez was hit in the chops with a door. Al Hirt was hit in the face with a brick.

I would say those classify, they were struggling to play after their collective accidents.

ROGERIO · 08-18-2005, 04:23 PM

I was hit with something called "poverty" during my playing years... I was only able to recover when I realized I HAD to change careers...

although, I have to admit I didn't have a weight problem then...

dizforprez · 08-18-2005, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBadWolf

Bud Herseth crashed his car, not wearing a seatbelt, flew through the windshield. Raphael Mendez was hit in the chops with a door. Al Hirt was hit in the face with a brick.

I would say those classify, they were struggling to play after their collective accidents.

I dont think he went out the windshield. he has always said in interviews that he knocked out some teeth on the steering wheel.

dizforprez · 08-18-2005, 04:58 PM

I think more pros struggled at first than we might realize. I can’t tell you how nice it is to take lessons from a pro player and hear them say “yeah I had the exact same problem when I first started working on those etudes, here is how you work it out” or “yeah, I couldn’t do that either, it took a while to work it into my playing”.

It makes me think there is hope for the rest of us.

trickg · 08-18-2005, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBadWolf

Bud Herseth crashed his car, not wearing a seatbelt, flew through the windshield. Raphael Mendez was hit in the chops with a door. Al Hirt was hit in the face with a brick.

I would say those classify, they were struggling to play after their collective accidents.

To me, that doesn't really qualify because each of these guys already had their act together prior to the calamity, therefore, any work that they had to do towards rehabilitation was done already knowing more or less how things were supposed to work and feel. They may have struggled for a while, but they came back up to scratch.

I wonder if Maynard ever had problems with range and endurance. Doc? Snooky Young? Bobby Shew?

BPinard · 08-18-2005, 05:51 PM

I know Doc used to have issues as a kid.

Derek Reaban · 08-18-2005, 05:58 PM

Here’s an interesting discussion about Bob Burns from Earth Wind & Fire during his years at Indiana University studying with Bill Adam. Scroll down to the post by PH.

And here is another post by PH about the struggles that he and Charly Davis had getting into music school. And this one from Billy B.

It’s very possible to achieve great things with the proper instruction and the right work ethic!

08-18-2005, 03:54 PM	#1 (permalink)
trumpetpimp Piano User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 268	Professionals that struggled Are there any big name, professional trumpet players that struggled with their fundamentals? It seems like every big name I meet and ask about range or fundamentals said that it really tended to come pretty easy to them. It's tough for me to know who to trust when a lot of the players that we admire, although they did practice for many hours a day, pretty much developed their excellent sound, range, and ears without much struggle. For example: I can't imagaine Wayne Bergeron would be a really good person to study with to help develop your high range since he was playing double B's and C's in grade 7 and 8. If it came natural to him how would he know what it takes to learn to play high? If you've already got a searing double G he would be great to talk about how to lead the band but I don't imagine he's going to help you learn how to play that G. Y'know? Are there any professional trumpet players that struggled through range and response issues before figuring out what it take to play well with consistancy? __________________ For sale: Courtois 154 flugel http://www.trumpetherald.com/marketp...detail&id=5375 Kanstul 1500 Bb copper bell http://www.trumpetherald.com/marketp...detail&id=7504

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trickg Forte User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Glen Burnie, Maryland Posts: 2,054	I have heard that there was a point in time in Phil Driscolls life where he really struggled with range and endurance and somebody helped to set him straight, but I don't know how valid the story is since I got it second hand. __________________ Patrick Gleason email me at: trickg1@hotmail.com "What we do in life echoes in eternity" "At my signal, unleash hell." - Maximus Decimus Meridius

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PhatmonB6 Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 668	I would have to say it was God Almighty that helped Mr. Driscoll with his struggles and tribulations. Praise God Almighty!!!! __________________ Bach Strad 180S37 Monette B2 Well, if I could play like Wynton (Marsalis), I wouldn't play like Wynton. Chet Baker

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Derek Reaban Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tempe, Arizona Posts: 616	Here’s an interesting discussion about Bob Burns from Earth Wind & Fire during his years at Indiana University studying with Bill Adam. Scroll down to the post by PH. And here is another post by PH about the struggles that he and Charly Davis had getting into music school. And this one from Billy B. It’s very possible to achieve great things with the proper instruction and the right work ethic! __________________ Derek Reaban Tempe, Arizona

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BigBadWolf Piano User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 312	Bud Herseth crashed his car, not wearing a seatbelt, flew through the windshield. Raphael Mendez was hit in the chops with a door. Al Hirt was hit in the face with a brick. I would say those classify, they were struggling to play after their collective accidents.

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ROGERIO Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: PHOENIX, AZ Posts: 926	I was hit with something called "poverty" during my playing years... I was only able to recover when I realized I HAD to change careers... although, I have to admit I didn't have a weight problem then...

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dizforprez Forte User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,028	I think more pros struggled at first than we might realize. I can’t tell you how nice it is to take lessons from a pro player and hear them say “yeah I had the exact same problem when I first started working on those etudes, here is how you work it out” or “yeah, I couldn’t do that either, it took a while to work it into my playing”. It makes me think there is hope for the rest of us.

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