Quivering & its remedy

crowmadic · 07-04-2007, 09:27 AM

What causes quivering when blowing long tones, especially on chresendo, even after lip muscle developement? What is/are the remedies?.................crow

Walter · 07-04-2007, 09:36 AM

Hi Crowmadic

"Quivering" is a good way to describe it. I have had this from time to time and have still not found a definitive answer and solution. For me I think it happens after I have been playing a lot and everything gets tight......sometimes I find a really good warm up loosens the chops and it goes away. Very occasionally it will last several days....fortunately I have not had it on gigs! I have noticed that the more I think about it the worse it gets.....my guess is it has something to do with tension....? Have you had it happen on a large bore instrument?

Walter

rowuk · 07-04-2007, 10:23 AM

Quivering can be many things:
face muscles
breathing apparatus
tongue autonomy
tension of the neck muscles
blood pressure!!!!!!!

Most of my list could be observed in a mirror while practicing.

I have some quivering in my playing after a really heavy weekend of gigs where I play more than is healthy for my chops.
Soft long tones (very low tension playing) the following day seem to solve the issue.

Billy B · 07-04-2007, 11:03 AM

Tension.

Vulgano Brother · 07-04-2007, 03:15 PM

To the above list, add coffee--even beta-blockers don't work. This becomes an issue for those early Sunday morning church gigs. To avoid coffee I once went to bed at 6:30 the night before, got 11 hours sleep, and was insufferably perky and cheerful, utterly changing the group dynamics. I now sleep less, drink coffee, and mask the shakes with vibrato. Amazing, the sacrifices we'll make for the group!

Dave Mickley · 07-04-2007, 04:17 PM

my lower jaw will start to quiver when the nerves set in and I have to take deep breathes and get my mind off of the nerve propblem to get the lower jaw to quit quivering. Dave

crowmadic · 07-05-2007, 01:04 PM

Walter, I'm going back and forth on two trumpets right now. One is a '64 Conn Victor 22B, and a '81 Bundy Designed By Vincent Bach. The Bundy is marked ML but there's no indication about the bore size on the Conn. My Conn 3C mouthpiece fits deeper into the Conn mouthpiece pipe than it does in the Bundy. Although the Conn sounds great in the upper register the Bundy plays better over all...in my humble opinion..........crow

crowmadic · 07-05-2007, 01:06 PM

rowuk, "blood pressure"...I do have some blood pressure problems. Can you expound upon this issue?..........crow

crowmadic · 07-05-2007, 01:07 PM

Billy, any particular place; "tension"?

crowmadic · 07-05-2007, 01:10 PM

Vulgano, "Coffee". Very interesting. The quivering I'm referring to is the kind one seses is coming out of the horn when experiencing Stage Fright...........crow

07-04-2007, 09:27 AM	#1 (permalink)
crowmadic Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 521	Quivering & its remedy What causes quivering when blowing long tones, especially on chresendo, even after lip muscle developement? What is/are the remedies?.................crow

07-04-2007, 09:36 AM	#2 (permalink)
Walter Pianissimo User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 229	Re: Quivering & its remedy Hi Crowmadic "Quivering" is a good way to describe it. I have had this from time to time and have still not found a definitive answer and solution. For me I think it happens after I have been playing a lot and everything gets tight......sometimes I find a really good warm up loosens the chops and it goes away. Very occasionally it will last several days....fortunately I have not had it on gigs! I have noticed that the more I think about it the worse it gets.....my guess is it has something to do with tension....? Have you had it happen on a large bore instrument? Walter

07-04-2007, 10:23 AM	#3 (permalink)
rowuk Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Brand: Nat, Piston, Rotary Posts: 3,880	Re: Quivering & its remedy Quivering can be many things: face muscles breathing apparatus tongue autonomy tension of the neck muscles blood pressure!!!!!!! Most of my list could be observed in a mirror while practicing. I have some quivering in my playing after a really heavy weekend of gigs where I play more than is healthy for my chops. Soft long tones (very low tension playing) the following day seem to solve the issue.
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07-04-2007, 11:03 AM	#4 (permalink)
Billy B Pianissimo User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Des Moines, IA Posts: 212	Re: Quivering & its remedy Tension.

07-04-2007, 03:15 PM	#5 (permalink)
Vulgano Brother Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Home Posts: 2,917	Re: Quivering & its remedy To the above list, add coffee--even beta-blockers don't work. This becomes an issue for those early Sunday morning church gigs. To avoid coffee I once went to bed at 6:30 the night before, got 11 hours sleep, and was insufferably perky and cheerful, utterly changing the group dynamics. I now sleep less, drink coffee, and mask the shakes with vibrato. Amazing, the sacrifices we'll make for the group!
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07-04-2007, 04:17 PM	#6 (permalink)
Dave Mickley Piano User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 375	Re: Quivering & its remedy my lower jaw will start to quiver when the nerves set in and I have to take deep breathes and get my mind off of the nerve propblem to get the lower jaw to quit quivering. Dave
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07-05-2007, 01:04 PM	#7 (permalink)
crowmadic Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 521	Re: Quivering & its remedy Walter, I'm going back and forth on two trumpets right now. One is a '64 Conn Victor 22B, and a '81 Bundy Designed By Vincent Bach. The Bundy is marked ML but there's no indication about the bore size on the Conn. My Conn 3C mouthpiece fits deeper into the Conn mouthpiece pipe than it does in the Bundy. Although the Conn sounds great in the upper register the Bundy plays better over all...in my humble opinion..........crow

07-05-2007, 01:06 PM	#8 (permalink)
crowmadic Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 521	Re: Quivering & its remedy rowuk, "blood pressure"...I do have some blood pressure problems. Can you expound upon this issue?..........crow

07-05-2007, 01:07 PM	#9 (permalink)
crowmadic Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 521	Re: Quivering & its remedy Billy, any particular place; "tension"?

07-05-2007, 01:10 PM	#10 (permalink)
crowmadic Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 521	Re: Quivering & its remedy Vulgano, "Coffee". Very interesting. The quivering I'm referring to is the kind one seses is coming out of the horn when experiencing Stage Fright...........crow

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