Single Radius Tuning Slide vs. Double??

MUSICandCHARACTER · 02-03-2005, 01:31 AM

I hear lots of responses about a single radius (rounded) tuning slide vs. a double radius (Bach like) tuning slide and what that does to the sound of a horn and to the blow.

I would value this board's input. How much difference do you think there is and what does that difference sound and feel like?

Jim

Heavens2kadonka · 02-03-2005, 03:45 PM

A rounded tune slide seems to work really well with a resistant leadpipe, in opening the overall blow, and alleviating any "stuffiness" someone may be experiencing with the horn. Its worth looking into, I think a new tuning slide would cost less than a new leadpipe.

What about the Taylor horns, with the really sharp curved tune slide?

Van

Bear · 02-03-2005, 04:33 PM

Oh man... I used to play on a regular style (Bach style) tuning slide and then I got a new horn with the rounded one... To me it made a world of difference regardless of the new horn features. It was just smoother and an eaiser blow for me. Every horn I've had since has a rounded tuning slide.

Schwab · 02-03-2005, 05:01 PM

I used to have a rounded crook on my Bb, I found it was more open, e, eb and d above third space C were flatter and the tongunig was not as crisp as a more square slide. I'm playing the square slide.

Heavens2kadonka · 02-04-2005, 03:22 PM

We need more horns out there that have different sets of tune slides/caps included in the package, like the Conn V1.

Van

bandman · 02-04-2005, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stcman

I used to have a rounded crook on my Bb, I found it was more open, e, eb and d above third space C were flatter and the tongunig was not as crisp as a more square slide. I'm playing the square slide.

Why would a slide change the articulation characteristics of a horn? I can see major tonal and intonation changes, but this is the first time I've ever heard reference to articulation and slide shape.

dcstep · 02-06-2005, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bandman

Why would a slide change the articulation characteristics of a horn?

The resistance changes;therefore, the articulation changes.

Dave

Manny Laureano · 02-06-2005, 09:06 PM

Something I never thought much about until this thread: was Dave Monette the first one to come out with the completely round tuning slide? I looked at a Schilke and it was part of the way there but I can't come up with another major or minor maker that had that before Dave.
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dcstep · 02-06-2005, 09:21 PM

Good point Manny. I'm not sure about single-radius slides. I had a Yamaha in the 1980s with a single radius; however, I think that the "ovatte" slide with a decreasing-radius type design is clearly a Monette innovation. Looking back at photos of old horns it seems clear that designers certainly had a wide range of slides with varying degrees of squareness and roundness, but I can't find any trumpets older than the 1980s with a round slide, so, maybe, Dave thunk that one up also.

Dave

gzent · 02-07-2005, 02:21 PM

I bought a braceless, round tuning slide from Kanstul over a year ago.

On my Zeus G it really helped notes above the staff and made the tone a bit darker. The slots loosened up as well. I've never used the original Bach style slide since.

Greg

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Heavens2kadonka Forte User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Carthage, TN Posts: 1,283	We need more horns out there that have different sets of tune slides/caps included in the package, like the Conn V1. Van
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Manny Laureano Utimate User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: USA Posts: 5,989	Something I never thought much about until this thread: was Dave Monette the first one to come out with the completely round tuning slide? I looked at a Schilke and it was part of the way there but I can't come up with another major or minor maker that had that before Dave. javascript:emoticon('') ML

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Bear Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: CO Posts: 783	Oh man... I used to play on a regular style (Bach style) tuning slide and then I got a new horn with the rounded one... To me it made a world of difference regardless of the new horn features. It was just smoother and an eaiser blow for me. Every horn I've had since has a rounded tuning slide.

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dcstep Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Denver Posts: 679	Good point Manny. I'm not sure about single-radius slides. I had a Yamaha in the 1980s with a single radius; however, I think that the "ovatte" slide with a decreasing-radius type design is clearly a Monette innovation. Looking back at photos of old horns it seems clear that designers certainly had a wide range of slides with varying degrees of squareness and roundness, but I can't find any trumpets older than the 1980s with a round slide, so, maybe, Dave thunk that one up also. Dave
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gzent Forte User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rochester, MN Brand: Forza Posts: 1,515	I bought a braceless, round tuning slide from Kanstul over a year ago. On my Zeus G it really helped notes above the staff and made the tone a bit darker. The slots loosened up as well. I've never used the original Bach style slide since. Greg
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