Starting cornet

chet fan · 07-03-2009, 07:07 AM

I play trumpet and would like to play cornet as well

Can you tell me what are the main differences between trumpet and cornet and are there differences to valve combinations and what cornet would you reccomand me. My skill is between low and intermediate

also I have all this questions for flugelhorn

and what do you reccomand me cornet or flugelhorn?

thank you

trumpetnick · 07-03-2009, 07:51 AM

Chet,

Depends on what you are looking forward. If your preferred style is classical than a cornet is more desirable. If you are more into jazz/commercial/brass ensembles a flugelhorn would be probably more useful. Now about playing...

The fingerings do not differ from trumpet
Flugel and cornet require better embouchure control and more intimate mental approach
Often those instruments are played with deeper V shaped cup mouthpieces. However, American style long cornet are often played with C cup mouthpiece.
When choosing mouthpieces for your new cornet/flugel make sure that you have the right shank mouthpiece to fit your particular instrument - flugel have many different mp receiver sizes and some older "vintage" cornets (like Olds) may have different from contemporary standard size mp receivers.

Cornet1 · 07-03-2009, 09:37 AM

Trumpetnick has given excellent advice,..I would only add that you will progress much better an dfaster with a modern cornet mouthpiece such as a Denis Wick as they are much superior to the older 'deep V cup' items. They give a clearer sound with better and easier control. Good Luck!

MFfan · 07-03-2009, 09:42 AM

Trumpetnick's points are well taken. What cornet you start up also includes factors of how much you can afford to pay , new or used, student or pro models(or inbetween).
Ideally you would have a chance to try some out first. Ebay has many levels of cornets for sale, some great, some not so good.

Proven student models from Olds, King, Holton, Getzen, Conn and others would be good brand choices to "get your feet wet" without paying a lot.

I have gotten back into cornet playing a couple of years ago after many years of only trumpet and have enjoyed my experiences with different instruments (all used and cheap) and learning more as I have gone along. I frequently play one on certain concert band tunes and the swing band I am in. In addition to my current cornets, I have had a fine Olds Ambassador, Vintage Besson 8-10, Reynolds Emporer and others that didn't work out.
Be sure to verify the condition of any instrument as best you can.

chet fan · 07-03-2009, 11:44 AM

well I'm interested in Jazz mainly, so I think it will be flugelhorn after reading your comments

regarding monies, well I can spend up to 300euros (500 dollars)

tell me, I also have Yamaha pickup mute system called silent brass that I use for my trumpet, will it fit flugelhorn also or not

regarding MPs I use 7c (dunno which one because nothing than 7c is written on it) thats the one that came with trumpet and I never bothered changing it, I just learned to play with it.

A.N.A. Mendez · 07-03-2009, 12:03 PM

You will need a different mute for the Yamaha silent brass, bigger, also the flugel takes a different mouthpiece.

Bob Grier · 07-03-2009, 11:23 PM

be careful of the cheap flugels they are not worth the money. Stay with a brand name flugel. I've never had a problem switching between trumpet, cornet or flugel. It's a very easy double. You can get a 7C flugel to match your trpt. mpc.. Some names to look for: Yamaha, Bach, Getzen, Conn, Holton, Olds, Leblanc, Kanstal, Besson, Benge, Blessing, King. Posters, have I left any out?

Vulgano Brother · 07-04-2009, 02:09 AM

The typical cornet is a wimpy trumpet.

ComeBackKid · 07-04-2009, 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vulgano Brother

The typical cornet is a wimpy trumpet.

Who you callin' TYPICAL? It could be that a typical trumpet is a cornet that has come unwound. After all, cornets have bigger bores, bigger bells, and bigger valves than trumpets...and SIZE MATTERS!

Bob Grier · 07-04-2009, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vulgano Brother

The typical cornet is a wimpy trumpet.

A fine example of cylindrical thinking.

07-03-2009, 07:07 AM	#1
chet fan Pianissimo User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 65	Starting cornet (maybe fluglehorn) I play trumpet and would like to play cornet as well Can you tell me what are the main differences between trumpet and cornet and are there differences to valve combinations and what cornet would you reccomand me. My skill is between low and intermediate also I have all this questions for flugelhorn and what do you reccomand me cornet or flugelhorn? thank you Last edited by chet fan; 07-03-2009 at 07:13 AM.

07-03-2009, 07:51 AM	#2
trumpetnick Forte User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Vidin, Bulgaria Posts: 1,851	Re: Starting cornet Chet, Depends on what you are looking forward. If your preferred style is classical than a cornet is more desirable. If you are more into jazz/commercial/brass ensembles a flugelhorn would be probably more useful. Now about playing... The fingerings do not differ from trumpet Flugel and cornet require better embouchure control and more intimate mental approach Often those instruments are played with deeper V shaped cup mouthpieces. However, American style long cornet are often played with C cup mouthpiece. When choosing mouthpieces for your new cornet/flugel make sure that you have the right shank mouthpiece to fit your particular instrument - flugel have many different mp receiver sizes and some older "vintage" cornets (like Olds) may have different from contemporary standard size mp receivers. __________________ Spada Bach B flat 72, leadpipe 2L/DWMM1.5C Spada Bach C 256, leadpipe 2LQ/DWMM1.5C 1956 Olds Ambassador Cornet Spada Custom Piccolo If you don't know where you are going, you 'll end up someplace else Last edited by trumpetnick; 07-03-2009 at 07:54 AM.

07-03-2009, 09:37 AM	#3
Cornet1 Pianissimo User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Essex, England Posts: 210	Re: Starting cornet Trumpetnick has given excellent advice,..I would only add that you will progress much better an dfaster with a modern cornet mouthpiece such as a Denis Wick as they are much superior to the older 'deep V cup' items. They give a clearer sound with better and easier control. Good Luck!

07-03-2009, 09:42 AM	#4
MFfan Forte User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kalamazoo, Michigan Posts: 1,673	Re: Starting cornet Trumpetnick's points are well taken. What cornet you start up also includes factors of how much you can afford to pay , new or used, student or pro models(or inbetween). Ideally you would have a chance to try some out first. Ebay has many levels of cornets for sale, some great, some not so good. Proven student models from Olds, King, Holton, Getzen, Conn and others would be good brand choices to "get your feet wet" without paying a lot. I have gotten back into cornet playing a couple of years ago after many years of only trumpet and have enjoyed my experiences with different instruments (all used and cheap) and learning more as I have gone along. I frequently play one on certain concert band tunes and the swing band I am in. In addition to my current cornets, I have had a fine Olds Ambassador, Vintage Besson 8-10, Reynolds Emporer and others that didn't work out. Be sure to verify the condition of any instrument as best you can. __________________ Dave Rafferty Lemar Trumpet (peashooter-Conn?) Lyrical Trumpet (Tokan) Besson 609 Trumpet 1955-60 Besson 8-10 Trumpet 1948 Besson cornet 1946 King Master Cornet www.kalamazooconcertband.org

07-03-2009, 11:44 AM	#5
chet fan Pianissimo User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 65	Re: Starting cornet well I'm interested in Jazz mainly, so I think it will be flugelhorn after reading your comments regarding monies, well I can spend up to 300euros (500 dollars) tell me, I also have Yamaha pickup mute system called silent brass that I use for my trumpet, will it fit flugelhorn also or not regarding MPs I use 7c (dunno which one because nothing than 7c is written on it) thats the one that came with trumpet and I never bothered changing it, I just learned to play with it.

07-03-2009, 12:03 PM	#6
A.N.A. Mendez Forte User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,228	Re: Starting cornet You will need a different mute for the Yamaha silent brass, bigger, also the flugel takes a different mouthpiece. __________________ (Above) Alexanders ragtime band-circa 1960 "Baby, I'm already the coolest, and the hippist, now you want me to be on time too?" Buddy Love "We appointed all our worst generals to command our armies, and our best generals to edit our newspapers." Robert E. Lee

07-03-2009, 11:23 PM	#7
Bob Grier Mezzo Forte User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 743	Re: Starting cornet be careful of the cheap flugels they are not worth the money. Stay with a brand name flugel. I've never had a problem switching between trumpet, cornet or flugel. It's a very easy double. You can get a 7C flugel to match your trpt. mpc.. Some names to look for: Yamaha, Bach, Getzen, Conn, Holton, Olds, Leblanc, Kanstal, Besson, Benge, Blessing, King. Posters, have I left any out? __________________ Bob Grier, An Old Pro Web Cam trumpet & jazz improvisation lessons bgrierjr@triad.rr.com Schilke B5 GB bell NY Bach ML 37GB Bb 1949 Benge 7X 1985 Conn 22B 1940s King Liberty Silversonic 1975 King Master Model Siversonic cornet 1975 1985 Bach C L 229GB 25A 1985 Bach D ML 239 1985 Bach Eb ML 239 1967 Martin C ML rose brass bell 1985 Selmer Paris Picc with Osmun A pipe & Blackburn Bb pipe 1975 Getzen Eterna Flugelhorn 1985 Yamaha YFH 635T Flugelhorn

07-04-2009, 02:09 AM	#8
Vulgano Brother Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 4,223	Re: Starting cornet The typical cornet is a wimpy trumpet. __________________ "A tool good enough to be so used and not too good" C.S. Lewis That Hideous Strength www.letsbuildhope.org

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