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Trumpet Discussion Discuss Super Bowl Trpt Section - 1/2 time w Beyonce in the General forums; Hi all, Just a quick note. The half time show was pre-recorded last week for the Super Bowl at Fox. ...
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    Super Bowl Trpt Section - 1/2 time w Beyonce

    Hi all,

    Just a quick note. The half time show was pre-recorded last week for the Super Bowl at Fox.

    The trumpet section is Wayne Bergeron, Gary Grant , Dan Fornero and Harry Kim.

    Dan Fornero , if you don;t know is a excellent player that was playing lead for the first Brian Seltzer Big Band and numerous other name acts. He was lead trumpet at NTSU , 1 o'clock band around 1881/82 .

    Harry Kim was part of the Earth,Wind and Fire horn section that worked with Phil Collins and he and Dan are now part of the " Hollywood Horns " that work with Phil Collin's still, but is the first call " session " horn section in LA. Harry is also a great horn section arranger.
    Back to the session:

    Wayne is playing lead and one number ends on a " Hi A " ( over hi C ) and for some reason or another it took the orchestra, (big string section,) 17 takes to get it the way the producers wanted it.

    Wayne Bergeron nailed that Hi A in every take ( their is a little triplet leading up to it ), and it wasn't no little , teeny Hi A, saving something for the final take, it was a huge , hair splitting , Hi A each and every take.
    Nothing held back. What a performance.

    I was lucky enough to be invited to the listen to the session at Fox Studios( my kids wanted to meet , Beyonce , who was singing in another booth ) and Wayne told me that was his second date that day. Wow, couldn't tell by the playing.

    Now, don't leave the set for eats or the bathroom during Beyonce's performance, OK Listen for that number.

    Please, if they scratch the number for some reason, don't start sending me PM's about it.( that was one of a couple of tunes they recorded ) I'm just trying give everyone a " heads-up " and have you listen for it , just hope it's not to far back in the mix. It was " loud as hell " live. Even the string players turned their heads and usually they never acknowledge any other section, especially the trumpet section.
    I think we annoy them with all that loud playing ( 2 fiddles per stand , like that's tough )

    I just wish more trumpet players could experience hearing playing at that level and understanding all the pressure an atmosphere like that brings with it.

    The " bar " was pretty high that night. Wayne really shinned.

    Larry

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    Hi Tm,

    Long time no hear.

    Yes we did and I've got to tell you, she was very gracious to myself and the kids at the session and she looked very " hot " in just plain old jeans and a tee-shirt ( the hi heels helped that).

    Wayne is definitely " mind over matter " type player in his approach. He spent long hours learning how to play " quasi-legit , big ensemble session type playing ". He spent countless hours practicing the boring est stuff like long, soft tones and playing, long , sensitive,lyrical passages and excerpts ,alot of "in the staff " exercises , all the short tunes in the back of Arbans as pretty as he could. This was to prepare himself so he could play on " quasi-legit, movie scores" and either sit third behind Malcom McNabb and Warren Luening and feel comfortable, play 1st trumpet on Broadway type shows like "The Producers "and now " Chicago " situations that a " Maynard lead playing " approach would be to way to " rough around the edges " and probably get you escorted to the back door.

    Wayne has worked very, very hard to feel and play this relaxed when it come to his craft and playing at this level. He sits down, he gets the part, he rehearses the part , records the part ( sometimes over and over and over ) and doesn' think or dwell on much else. A real " analysis leads to paralysis ' type of mentality and that shows in his relaxed playing style and command of the instrument. As you probably know, he uses one mouthpiece for all the types of playing he does and one trumpet .A Parke mouthpiece that is a copy of a Reeves 41M / 692 and a Kanstul KZT1600 " Bergeron " model that was a copy of his Bach 72 ML- the Kanstul has a slightly bigger flair, but not much and slightly bigger opening in the leadpipe than the standard Bach 25 leadpipe but not as open as a Bach 43 lp.

    Like Lee Trevino, the golf legend aways said " The more I practiced the luckier I got " - apply that " Zen " type mentality to trumpet and see how fast you progress.

    Larry

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    Here's one for the gearheads,

    Since I got a couple of PM's about what these guys were playing, I'll just post it.

    Wayne Bergeron
    Kanstul ZKT 1600 bergeron model, raw brass bell, / Parke Mouthpiece

    Gary Grant
    Calicchio 1s/2 - silver ml ( Gary usually used a Bach 37 SS bell , but this was a very " lively" trumpet section, so I think he pull out all the fire power he had ) / Reeves Custom MPC - 5c rim/s cup/69 backbore

    Harry Kim
    Schilke x3 and Burbank Benge 6x - Reeves 43.5 / s / 69 bb

    Dan Fornero
    Stomvi Master w 2 screw bells/ Reeves Custom Mpc - Reeves 3c rim/s cup/692 backbore

    As you can see, there no format trumpet/mouhtpiece anymore like the early " East Coast " scene

    Oh, all these guys own a powerful Hi A and maybe all of them could have done it 17 times to tape, maybe, but Wayne was the one who " did " do it 17 times plus rehearsals.

    "doing it in the practice room is easy, doing it at work is the hard part "

    Larry

    This last part goes out to my new friend Mr. Noel Langley, Eclispe Trumpets

    "Noel, in the states , we have no problem asking each other about gear and accessories.

    Infact, next time I sit next to Chuck Findley, ( if i'm lucky enough, he's not in one place alot anymore ) I plan on asking him about the brand of underwear he uses if I come to the coclusion that it would help me play like he does. "

    Your American cousin's have no shame in that respect, do we fella's

    Larry

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    gearhead comes out of the closet

    Hi Larry, I hear you and I'm sorry if you got the impression that I'm not interested in what kind of underpants Chuck is wearing ... but let's not go there.

    My name is Noel Langley and I'm a gear head - there I've said it and I feel a bit better already ;)
    I have one of the most overstocked mouthpiece drawers of any of my colleagues and at least eight different kinds of 'harmon' mute as well as a cherished collection of close up embouchure shots of the good the bad and the ugly of the trumpet world.

    Time for a confession. It is absolutely true that, aged 18 I went out and bought a pair of spectacles that were as close as possible to the ones that Derek Watkins was using at that time because I thought it might just help me play a little more like him. They were enourmous (so you could see the whole page when sight reading), light sensitive (so you wouldn't be dazzled by stage lights) and a real fashion statement (or so I thought at the time :) ).

    All the best, Noel.

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    Hi Noel,

    See, don't you feel better now.

    Hey, if you remember, ask Derek about the " kickers' he uses . My main goal since I was 10, was to play like Derek Watkins's so If I'll have to wear them over my head ( and I'll wear Chuck's were they should go or maybe vice versa) to sound like he does, that's an easy decision to make.

    All in good fun

    Larry

    Noel, thanks for the PM - I wrote one back, but the spelling was so bad, I haven't sent it yet, need time to not sound like a 6th grader and I have a couple of " Dangling Participles " to care of. Ouch, they hurt

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    Dangling WHAT???????





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    Methinks Larry and Noel are volunteering to moderate the new "Horn Drawers" forum! I can see it now...discussions like:

    - Wearing 4 sizes too small to hit the dubbas
    - Battery-powered undie enhancements for duration playing
    - Famous players who Go Commando!
    - Beware EBay scam for Satchmo's Knickers.

    OK...back to thinking about practicing.

    - Paul Artola
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    Tighty Whities or designers - you decide

    He Fat Pauly,

    That's a great idea. I have only one condition.

    I'll cover " pre-playing engagement" undergarment conditions (brightness, elasticity, softness , " tighty - whities, or designer , etc ) but Noel has to cover the post-game commentary and all that come with it.

    He's a much better writer than I am , and has a much bigger vocabulary and stronger communicative skills so he can cover every aspect and how they " weathered the storm " .

    What about it , Noel. I don't mind playing 2nd fiddle on this one.

    Larry

    First Post Subject:

    " European " Banana hammock 's " and their effect on playing the Brandenburg - does it help or hurt reaching the pivotal Hi A ? "

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    Hmmm... an interseting proposition guys. Right now you may be interested to know that I am wearing my lucky 'greenback' boxer shorts. They were a complimentary gift in my room at the W hotel in Hawaii and, as well as being very comfortable and relaxing, they are covered in a pattern made from 100 dollar bills. I wear them when ever I want to feel that I'm in the money. However I'm not sure that they offer the necessary support for serious playing - might be good for a 'warm down'.

    As far as the post gig inspections goes, we have a saying in the UK, "where there's muck there's brass" --- no I don't really want to follow that train of thought. Mind you, one of my first teachers did once memorably tell me that the way to develop the high register was to stand on a chair, squeeze your buttocks together and blow - maybe he'd had unfortunate experiences in the past! Another teacher told me to forget about abdominal breathing and use my pelvic floor muscles when playing - and that's certainly somewhere in the trouser department. Maybe we are on to something here.

    BTW I think Larry meant to refer to Derek's knickers rather than his kickers - we usually reserve that term for the female undergarments over here. In fact there are a lot of names we use - undies, boxers, briefs, shorts, pants, panties, g-string, thong, y-fronts, chuddies, skids etc. but I love the term banana hammock -which is a new one on me.

    One thing really puzzles me about this post though. What on earth is a Super Bowl? :)

    P.S. Please note that TM cannot be held responsible for any injury or loss of function caused by attempting to play trumpet whilst wearing restrictive underwear.

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    And then there will be the geriatric crowd.

    When asked "Do you prefer boxers or briefs?" the man replied "Depends".

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