Switching between coronet and trumpet mid-concert

LLD · 12-02-2007, 06:12 PM

My high school has a winter concert coming up and I'm playing lead, one one of the songs the lead part is written for coronet. I went out and rented a student horn that I'm practicing with, and I notice that when I do some warm ups on each horn I'll be just fine, but I miss some notes just switching and trying to play the same piece.

Will practicing switching help me?
The concert is in a week.

I think the main thing is that I have a lead mouthpiece (Bobby Shew E14 marcienkiewicz) and the coronet came with a "Vincent Bach 6" which is a little deeper, and just different.

Thanks.

Schwab · 12-02-2007, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LLD

Will practicing switching help me?

Yes.

LLD · 12-02-2007, 06:51 PM

Hah.

Thank you.

rowuk · 12-02-2007, 07:46 PM

If you want to play any horn in concert, you need to spend enough time with it.

Dale Proctor · 12-02-2007, 09:43 PM

Both horns will play differently, and I'll bet the Bach 6 is a lot deeper than your lead trumpet mouthpiece. The above posts are correct - you have to become familiar with both setups, and get into the trumpet or cornet mindset when you pick up whichever horn. The problem's possibly compounded by the use of a student cornet, if your trumpet is a pro model.

Vulgano Brother · 12-03-2007, 12:11 PM

Another factor is intonation. It may well be that different notes are differently out of tune on the two trumpet/mouthpiece combinations. Frequent switching in practice can help. The second intonation problem is the difference of basic pitch between the two instruments, and a horn that is tuned and then cools will start out flat. The third is the perceived pitch difference between a lead trumpet set up and a cornet--the cornet, being darker might sound flat even when in tune.

When we unconsiously lip a note too far in a given direction, the note will crack. Listen carefully to your fracks and "speelah's." If we are lipping up, the frack will occur above the target note, if lipping down, the frack will start below.

Practice and careful listening on both instruments should help eliminate the problem.

ZeuSter · 12-03-2007, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LLD

My high school has a winter concert coming up and I'm playing lead, one one of the songs the lead part is written for coronet. I went out and rented a student horn that I'm practicing with, and I notice that when I do some warm ups on each horn I'll be just fine, but I miss some notes just switching and trying to play the same piece.

Will practicing switching help me?
The concert is in a week.

I think the main thing is that I have a lead mouthpiece (Bobby Shew E14 marcienkiewicz) and the coronet came with a "Vincent Bach 6" which is a little deeper, and just different.

Thanks.

Yes, practicing switching will help , but you should learn to spell "CORNET"
not coronet.

Dave Mickley · 12-03-2007, 04:07 PM

I play in a community band in which the director [was a french horn player in the Marine band] wants trumpets on the trumpet parts and cornets on the cornet parts. I switch back and forth all the time but I also use similar mouthpieces - Reeves 42 on both horns. Dave

Dale Proctor · 12-03-2007, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Mickley

I play in a community band in which the director wants trumpets on the trumpet parts and cornets on the cornet parts...

That's a novel concept.....

12-02-2007, 06:12 PM	#1 (permalink)
LLD New Friend Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 45	Switching between coronet and trumpet mid-concert My high school has a winter concert coming up and I'm playing lead, one one of the songs the lead part is written for coronet. I went out and rented a student horn that I'm practicing with, and I notice that when I do some warm ups on each horn I'll be just fine, but I miss some notes just switching and trying to play the same piece. Will practicing switching help me? The concert is in a week. I think the main thing is that I have a lead mouthpiece (Bobby Shew E14 marcienkiewicz) and the coronet came with a "Vincent Bach 6" which is a little deeper, and just different. Thanks.

12-02-2007, 06:51 PM	#3 (permalink)
LLD New Friend Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 45	Re: Switching between coronet and trumpet mid-concert Hah. Thank you.

12-02-2007, 07:46 PM	#4 (permalink)
rowuk Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 4,360	Re: Switching between coronet and trumpet mid-concert If you want to play any horn in concert, you need to spend enough time with it. __________________ Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

12-02-2007, 09:43 PM	#5 (permalink)
Dale Proctor Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Heart of Dixie Posts: 699	Re: Switching between coronet and trumpet mid-concert Both horns will play differently, and I'll bet the Bach 6 is a lot deeper than your lead trumpet mouthpiece. The above posts are correct - you have to become familiar with both setups, and get into the trumpet or cornet mindset when you pick up whichever horn. The problem's possibly compounded by the use of a student cornet, if your trumpet is a pro model. __________________ "Brass bands are all very well in their place - outdoors and several miles away." - Sir Thomas Beecham Olde Towne Brass www.otbrass.com Brass Band of Huntsville www.brassbandofhuntsville.org

12-03-2007, 12:11 PM	#6 (permalink)
Vulgano Brother Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Home Posts: 3,265	Re: Switching between coronet and trumpet mid-concert Another factor is intonation. It may well be that different notes are differently out of tune on the two trumpet/mouthpiece combinations. Frequent switching in practice can help. The second intonation problem is the difference of basic pitch between the two instruments, and a horn that is tuned and then cools will start out flat. The third is the perceived pitch difference between a lead trumpet set up and a cornet--the cornet, being darker might sound flat even when in tune. When we unconsiously lip a note too far in a given direction, the note will crack. Listen carefully to your fracks and "speelah's." If we are lipping up, the frack will occur above the target note, if lipping down, the frack will start below. Practice and careful listening on both instruments should help eliminate the problem. __________________ "A tool good enough to be so used and not too good" C.S. Lewis That Hideous Strength www.letsbuildhope.org Last edited by Vulgano Brother; 12-03-2007 at 12:13 PM. Reason: trying to make some sense

12-03-2007, 04:07 PM	#8 (permalink)
Dave Mickley Piano User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 384	Re: Switching between coronet and trumpet mid-concert I play in a community band in which the director [was a french horn player in the Marine band] wants trumpets on the trumpet parts and cornets on the cornet parts. I switch back and forth all the time but I also use similar mouthpieces - Reeves 42 on both horns. Dave __________________ formerly known as old geezer Dave C7 Yam. 231 Fl. 15383 King Master Cornet 295628 Weril Cornet Lo 7535

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