Trumpet Playing May Be Dangerous to Your Health.

Majestic1 · 12-12-2007, 04:33 AM

Playing long, hard and high may invoke the Valsalva Maneuver whereby one may effect the fall in blood pressure resulting in dizziness and even fainting. As the pressure inside the chest rises, blood is forced out of pulmonary circulation into the left atrium causing a mild rise in blood pressure. The pressure in the chest impedes the return of blood back into the heart. Subsequently, the output of the heart is reduced and blood pressure falls. When the chest pressure is released, this allows the pulmonary vessels and aorta to re-expand causing a further initial slight fall in blood pressure due to decreased left ventricular return and increased aortic volume, respectively. Blood return to the heart is enhanced by the effect of entry of blood which had been dammed back, causing a rapid increase in cardiac output and of blood pressure. The pressure usually rises above normal before returning to a normal level. Deviation from this response pattern signifies either abnormal heart function or abnormal automatic nervous control of the heart.

rowuk · 12-12-2007, 06:48 AM

Majestic1,
You can drown on a glass of water too, break your arm falling out of bed, get carpal tunnel syndrome by practicing too much....................!

If this was a real problem and not just something that some people would have us worry about, we would have a lot of documented problems as most trumpet players are NOT doing everything right.

I recommend getting regular medical checkups AND if you want to be a lead trumpet player in a high "output" band, and ever feel dizzy, get it looked at.

The human body is much more resilient than some people would have us believe.

I do not believe that the chest pressure that you mentioned is what happens when we play. Hyperventilation would be a more probable cause of dizziness.

forrest · 12-12-2007, 08:24 AM

Nice cheery post for his first.

Looks like a cut and paste from some other site or textbook.

Schwab · 12-12-2007, 08:45 AM

I'm selling my horns today.

Majestic1 · 12-12-2007, 09:40 AM

There is some good to this "Maneuver":
Valsalva : Valsalva Maneuver : Discovery Health

tptCarl · 12-12-2007, 10:34 AM

[QUOTE) Playing long, hard and high may invoke the Valsalva Maneuver whereby one may effect the fall in blood pressure resulting in dizziness and even fainting.

WOW !! Would you explain more about what it actually is and how to avoid this dreaded maneuver???

brem · 12-12-2007, 10:48 AM

Does playing trumpet help with early ejaculation?!
Does playing trumpet help with PREMATURE ejaculation?!

veery715 · 12-12-2007, 11:04 AM

Early, like at the age of 7? Or do you mean premature? (as in before your partner gets angry)

Majestic1 · 12-12-2007, 11:24 AM

Rowuk,

If you would have read my post and understood it, you would know that this is a common physical reaction, not a sickness and that it’s effects/results as it were are NOT from hyperventilation but rather the exact opposite. It is a fall in blood pressure that causes dizziness and results in fainting.

It should be noted that this maneuver, when used as a tool to equalize middle ear pressure, carries with it the risk of auditory damage from over pressurization of the middle ear.

As one gets older this “condition” becomes more pronounced and serious. Should you be one of the retired trumpet players and volunteer in one of the church’s orchestras, tape a note on your music stand and as you play the last loud, long and high sustained note and as you are feeling you are reaching the throngs of nirvana and start to think that this is like King David when he was playing music, you should realize that you are in a very serious medical condition and that you should open your eyes and read the note: “King David played strings.”

max3k · 12-12-2007, 11:36 AM

Are your ears supposed to bleed when playing in the upper register?

12-12-2007, 04:33 AM	#1 (permalink)
Majestic1 New Friend Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 38	Trumpet Playing May Be Dangerous to Your Health. Playing long, hard and high may invoke the Valsalva Maneuver whereby one may effect the fall in blood pressure resulting in dizziness and even fainting. As the pressure inside the chest rises, blood is forced out of pulmonary circulation into the left atrium causing a mild rise in blood pressure. The pressure in the chest impedes the return of blood back into the heart. Subsequently, the output of the heart is reduced and blood pressure falls. When the chest pressure is released, this allows the pulmonary vessels and aorta to re-expand causing a further initial slight fall in blood pressure due to decreased left ventricular return and increased aortic volume, respectively. Blood return to the heart is enhanced by the effect of entry of blood which had been dammed back, causing a rapid increase in cardiac output and of blood pressure. The pressure usually rises above normal before returning to a normal level. Deviation from this response pattern signifies either abnormal heart function or abnormal automatic nervous control of the heart.
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12-12-2007, 06:48 AM	#2 (permalink)
rowuk Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Brand: Nat, Piston, Rotary Posts: 3,923	Re: Trumpet Playing May Be Dangerous to Your Health. Majestic1, You can drown on a glass of water too, break your arm falling out of bed, get carpal tunnel syndrome by practicing too much....................! If this was a real problem and not just something that some people would have us worry about, we would have a lot of documented problems as most trumpet players are NOT doing everything right. I recommend getting regular medical checkups AND if you want to be a lead trumpet player in a high "output" band, and ever feel dizzy, get it looked at. The human body is much more resilient than some people would have us believe. I do not believe that the chest pressure that you mentioned is what happens when we play. Hyperventilation would be a more probable cause of dizziness.
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12-12-2007, 08:24 AM	#3 (permalink)
forrest New Friend Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: St Louis MO Brand: Lawler T & Cornet Posts: 32	Re: Trumpet Playing May Be Dangerous to Your Health. Nice cheery post for his first. Looks like a cut and paste from some other site or textbook.

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Schwab Moderator Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: the road Posts: 930	Re: Trumpet Playing May Be Dangerous to Your Health. I'm selling my horns today.
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12-12-2007, 09:40 AM	#5 (permalink)
Majestic1 New Friend Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 38	Re: Trumpet Playing May Be Dangerous to Your Health. There is some good to this "Maneuver": Valsalva : Valsalva Maneuver : Discovery Health
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12-12-2007, 10:34 AM	#6 (permalink)
tptCarl New Friend Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hagerstown,MD Posts: 30	Re: Trumpet Playing May Be Dangerous to Your Health. [QUOTE) Playing long, hard and high may invoke the Valsalva Maneuver whereby one may effect the fall in blood pressure resulting in dizziness and even fainting. WOW !! Would you explain more about what it actually is and how to avoid this dreaded maneuver???

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12-12-2007, 11:04 AM	#8 (permalink)
veery715 Piano User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ithaca NY Posts: 348	Re: Trumpet Playing May Be Dangerous to Your Health. Early, like at the age of 7? Or do you mean premature? (as in before your partner gets angry)
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12-12-2007, 11:24 AM	#9 (permalink)
Majestic1 New Friend Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 38	Re: Trumpet Playing May Be Dangerous to Your Health. Rowuk, If you would have read my post and understood it, you would know that this is a common physical reaction, not a sickness and that it’s effects/results as it were are NOT from hyperventilation but rather the exact opposite. It is a fall in blood pressure that causes dizziness and results in fainting. It should be noted that this maneuver, when used as a tool to equalize middle ear pressure, carries with it the risk of auditory damage from over pressurization of the middle ear. As one gets older this “condition” becomes more pronounced and serious. Should you be one of the retired trumpet players and volunteer in one of the church’s orchestras, tape a note on your music stand and as you play the last loud, long and high sustained note and as you are feeling you are reaching the throngs of nirvana and start to think that this is like King David when he was playing music, you should realize that you are in a very serious medical condition and that you should open your eyes and read the note: “King David played strings.”
Majestic1 New Friend Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 38

12-12-2007, 11:36 AM	#10 (permalink)
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