Two piece bells

maine trumpeter · 08-20-2006, 11:23 AM

What are your thinking on these? I Know that the old school of thinking, that they were not as good.
Thanks

mike ansberry · 08-20-2006, 11:32 AM

There have been many threads about this on TM and TH. It seems that both one and two piece bells are used today by the great trumpet makers. It doesn't seem to matter.

Manny Laureano · 08-20-2006, 11:33 AM

All the horns I play have two-piece bells. They play beautifully. It comes down to craftsmanship and overall design of the horn. It's never about just one aspect.

ML

trumpetmike · 08-20-2006, 11:39 AM

When Besson were designing the Prestige cornet they tried one and two piece bells - the overwhelming majority of the playtesters preferred the two piece, so that is what they went with.

As Manny said, there is more to the discussion than just whether a bell is one or two piece.

B15M · 08-20-2006, 12:13 PM

I was buying a piano once and listened to the sales person tell me that the piano that he had was better and more expensive because the keys were counter weighted. He pushed down a key and showed me the black weight inserted in the side. He told me that this was the mark of a good piano.

When he was done my wife and I shopped around his store for a while more and I went up to the cheapest piano I could find and looked. Guess what I found.

At the next piano store, the same thing. They all had it.

The point I'm trying to make is, just because a manufacturer picks one aspect of the trumpet making to highlight or market doesn't make it the best. It's just a way of selling.

Liad Bar-EL · 09-28-2006, 07:52 AM

Andy Taylor, one of a few left in this world who still makes bells, bells for trumpets, Bone, French horns, etc. For his trumpets, he makes a two piece bell.

Just think about it for a minute what the difference is in construction and how it might affect the sound.

The one piece bell has a sound deadening lead solder seam down through the entire bell right to the tip.

The two piece bell has this same seam only until about 5 inches from the end. The bell end itself is solid.

In your opinion, which bell would seem to have the capability of a better and a more even resonance?

Liad Bar-EL

Solar Bell · 09-28-2006, 10:55 AM

Monette

Eclipse

Lawler

'nough said!

-cw-

Liad Bar-EL · 09-28-2006, 11:04 AM

Chuck,

Add Taylor to the list of two piece bell trumpets.

Liad

08-20-2006, 11:23 AM	#1 (permalink)
maine trumpeter Pianissimo User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 57	Two piece bells What are your thinking on these? I Know that the old school of thinking, that they were not as good. Thanks

08-20-2006, 11:32 AM	#2 (permalink)
mike ansberry Piano User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Posts: 319	There have been many threads about this on TM and TH. It seems that both one and two piece bells are used today by the great trumpet makers. It doesn't seem to matter. __________________ "Music is a fire in your belly that has to come out of your mouth, so you'd better put a horn in the way before someone gets hurt" (paraphrase of Bleeding Gums Murphy)

09-28-2006, 10:55 AM	#7 (permalink)
Solar Bell Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 4,002	Monette Eclipse Lawler 'nough said! -cw- __________________ Chuck Willard *The Willard of Oz* "Don't be afraid to see what you see." Ronald Reagan

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08-20-2006, 11:33 AM	#3 (permalink)
Manny Laureano Utimate User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: USA Posts: 5,989	All the horns I play have two-piece bells. They play beautifully. It comes down to craftsmanship and overall design of the horn. It's never about just one aspect. ML

08-20-2006, 11:39 AM	#4 (permalink)
trumpetmike Forte User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Farnham (a place too smal Posts: 1,202	When Besson were designing the Prestige cornet they tried one and two piece bells - the overwhelming majority of the playtesters preferred the two piece, so that is what they went with. As Manny said, there is more to the discussion than just whether a bell is one or two piece.

08-20-2006, 12:13 PM	#5 (permalink)
B15M Forte User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Monroe Ct. Posts: 1,282	I was buying a piano once and listened to the sales person tell me that the piano that he had was better and more expensive because the keys were counter weighted. He pushed down a key and showed me the black weight inserted in the side. He told me that this was the mark of a good piano. When he was done my wife and I shopped around his store for a while more and I went up to the cheapest piano I could find and looked. Guess what I found. At the next piano store, the same thing. They all had it. The point I'm trying to make is, just because a manufacturer picks one aspect of the trumpet making to highlight or market doesn't make it the best. It's just a way of selling.

09-28-2006, 07:52 AM	#6 (permalink)
Liad Bar-EL Forte User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 1,168	Andy Taylor, one of a few left in this world who still makes bells, bells for trumpets, Bone, French horns, etc. For his trumpets, he makes a two piece bell. Just think about it for a minute what the difference is in construction and how it might affect the sound. The one piece bell has a sound deadening lead solder seam down through the entire bell right to the tip. The two piece bell has this same seam only until about 5 inches from the end. The bell end itself is solid. In your opinion, which bell would seem to have the capability of a better and a more even resonance? Liad Bar-EL

09-28-2006, 11:04 AM	#8 (permalink)
Liad Bar-EL Forte User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 1,168	Chuck, Add Taylor to the list of two piece bell trumpets. Liad

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