Fair enough. We did get very side-tracked. Not sure how or why but I am guilty as charged. It is funny how these internet discussions can really turn on a dime. This gets back to my original post on this thread. The first trumpet in our community band who is 80+ suddenly said that he could not do it anymore. The only people who showed up last night were two second trumpet and two third trumpets. The my fellow third trumpet was asked to jump into the first chair with one of the second trumpets. So, from now on, there is two first trumpets who trade-off parts, one second trumpet, and one third trumpet (me). I really leaned on the other third trumpet and there was no where to hide. It was a long night. But, I know that is probably the best thing that can happen. It will really force me to develop.