What is your endurance?

Rick Chartrand · 09-24-2005, 04:22 PM

Hi

I thought this might be an interesting subject. Which mouthpiece do you use (size etc) and how much endurance does it give you?

What do you particularly like/dislike about your mouthpiece(s) and why?What type of work do you use it for?

Well I use two mouthpieces. I use a Bach 1c which I fill well, and if I am practising with this piece I get about 2 1/2 hours. I generally use this mouthpiece for deep dark tone while I am teaching or practising.

I use a Holton Heim #2 which is a 10c. It gives me great control, allows me to hit unbelievable high notes and gives me about 5 hours of endurance. I use this mouthpiece for legit gigs where endurance is paramount.

What I like about the Bach 1c is that it gives me total control and gives me a tone like Miles and Wynton. What I dont like about the Bach 1c is that my chops get tired to quickly!

What I like about the Holton Heim is that it is so phyically EASY to play and allows me to reach incredibly high notes. What I dont like is that sometimes I end up using to much force and end up breaking up my notes when I begin to play, so I have to ease up on this mouthpiece, have a good aclamation warmup and everything is fine.

Rick AKA Trumpet Man

Chris4 · 09-24-2005, 05:09 PM

I am on a constant mpc safari so my mpcs change often. Right now I use a Bach 3c for just about everything. My only complaint is that the rim is very round and it makes attacks uneasy. However, it has good range, endurance, and comfort. I can play comfortably on it for 3+ hours.

My experience with the Holton Heim #2 was a little different. It was great for lead playing and made high notes much easier but the rim was so hard that it cut into my lips and cut all endurance. My endurance on that was about 15 minutes.

I bought a Parduba Double-Cup #6 that I'm going to try out for awhile. It has a shallow cup and a tremendously deepened and widened conical second cup. The theory behind the double cup is that the higher the note you play, the farther on the mpc. the air stream is deflected. On the extreme high notes the air stream is almost to the rim,so the cup is very shallow there. In the lower register the air stream aims for the throat so the cup is deep there. Basically it's two mpcs. in one. I'm looking forward to playing it and it should be interesting. So those are the two mpcs I use now.

trumpetpimp · 09-25-2005, 10:42 AM

Endurance and range can be related to your mouthpiece but not to the size, to the match.

You can't play something too big for you because you'll be huffing and puffing and trying to stuff your lips into the cup and you'll be out of steam in no time. On the other end, if you mouthpiece is too small you may hit a few extra high notes but after playing for a little bit your chops might swell a little and you'll be bottoming out before you know it. And obviously, finding a good mouthpiece match won't give you X number of hours of endurance, it'll just make things easier and reduce the general struggle of things. Endurance is based on your ability.

If the 10c is working for you then why not play it all the time? Because it doesn't sound good? What about the 1c? If it sounds great but you can't last long enough then you have to make a decision. You have to play the mouthpiece that feels great and sounds great and deal with range and endurance after.

Billy B · 09-25-2005, 10:57 AM

For me endurance is mostly a mental thing. My Tuesday schedule includes a one hour praatice session followed by 9 a.m.-noon teaching, then another one hour practice session followed by teaching from 3-9. I play throughout all lessons. By the end of the day I am pretty much mentally wasted.

john daniel · 09-25-2005, 12:45 PM

RIGHT ON BILLY B!
If my chops get tired I usually stop practicing. When I'm mentally exhausted, I can usually figure out a way to tire my chops out in under 30 minutes.

Rick Chartrand · 09-25-2005, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trumpetpimp

Endurance and range can be related to your mouthpiece but not to the size, to the match.

You can't play something too big for you because you'll be huffing and puffing and trying to stuff your lips into the cup and you'll be out of steam in no time. On the other end, if you mouthpiece is too small you may hit a few extra high notes but after playing for a little bit your chops might swell a little and you'll be bottoming out before you know it. And obviously, finding a good mouthpiece match won't give you X number of hours of endurance, it'll just make things easier and reduce the general struggle of things. Endurance is based on your ability.

If the 10c is working for you then why not play it all the time? Because it doesn't sound good? What about the 1c? If it sounds great but you can't last long enough then you have to make a decision. You have to play the mouthpiece that feels great and sounds great and deal with range and endurance after.

Hey guys

Thanks for all the responses...great stuff!

Ok one thing at a time. Trumpetpimp, thanks for your comments and you have something there. THE ONLY TWO reasons I play the Bach 1c is because I want that deep dark tone and also I get the same physical exastion with a 2 1/2 session on this mouthpiece as with a 5 hour session on the Heim 10c. In other words I dont have the time to play more than 2 hours a day during the week but have to play 5 hours a night on my pro gigs on Thursday to Saturday. So I guess I am trying to keep up my chops on a big cup mouthpiece so I can perform 5 hours a night on the weekend.

For me its endurance. If I could keep my chops up on the Heim playing only 2 hours a day during the week so I could play 5 hours a day on the weekend, I'd drop the Bach 1c like yesterdays newspaper. Ideas Trumpetpimp?

Chris

''I bought a Parduba Double-Cup #6 that I'm going to try out for awhile. It has a shallow cup and a tremendously deepened and widened conical second cup. The theory behind the double cup is that the higher the note you play, the farther on the mpc. the air stream is deflected. On the extreme high notes the air stream is almost to the rim,so the cup is very shallow there. In the lower register the air stream aims for the throat so the cup is deep there. Basically it's two mpcs. in one. I'm looking forward to playing it and it should be interesting. So those are the two mpcs I use now.''

Hey Chris...Please let me know how this mouthpiece works out for you. It sounds hot! 2 mouthpieces in one is what I need!

Billy...thats one heck of a schedule

Id be mentally fried after that too!

Rick AKA Trumpet Man

Solar Bell · 09-25-2005, 03:15 PM

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study888 · 09-25-2005, 03:56 PM

Hello Rick. From what I am learning from my mouth piece safari. Keeps taking me back to the Alpha Angle info. by Mcamilleri. He has posted a update on the Trumpet Herald. Maybe here also. I remember one of his statements on dying on a 1C Bach but flying on the 1B Bach. The reason for more endurance on the Helm #2. could be a lot higher Alpha angle on it .Maybe as times goes on. Mcamilleri will be able give us this info. on all major brands. Including the soft bite, med. bite, sharp bite etc. Maybe higher the alpha angle sharper the bite. Not to sure about that. If it turns out to be a alpha angle change. You may consider a 1B bach are 1 1/2B Bach. Are have a 1C custom made with same alpha angle as the Helm. If that is possible. Also check out what a 40 year trumpet player named John Baber had to say about the 3DE Curry trumpet m. p. The review is posted on Mouthpiece Express site on the Curry trumpet mouthpice sales section. Good luck

Rick Chartrand · 09-26-2005, 04:30 AM

Hey Study888

Thanks for the response and welcome to TrumpetMaster.com

. Thanks you for the information on alpha angle. I know I have huge endurance on the Heim because it is a small mouthpiece, but never considered the alpha angle! The Heim is a V shaped mouthpiece with a deep cup so I think you may be right

Rick AKA Trumpet Man

Daff · 09-27-2005, 12:49 AM

Pardone my ignorance, but when you guys are talking 2-3 hours, are you talking non-stop, wall-to-wall rigorous playing?......or what?

09-24-2005, 04:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
Rick Chartrand Piano User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Toronto Canada Posts: 391	What is your endurance? Hi I thought this might be an interesting subject. Which mouthpiece do you use (size etc) and how much endurance does it give you? What do you particularly like/dislike about your mouthpiece(s) and why?What type of work do you use it for? Well I use two mouthpieces. I use a Bach 1c which I fill well, and if I am practising with this piece I get about 2 1/2 hours. I generally use this mouthpiece for deep dark tone while I am teaching or practising. I use a Holton Heim #2 which is a 10c. It gives me great control, allows me to hit unbelievable high notes and gives me about 5 hours of endurance. I use this mouthpiece for legit gigs where endurance is paramount. What I like about the Bach 1c is that it gives me total control and gives me a tone like Miles and Wynton. What I dont like about the Bach 1c is that my chops get tired to quickly! What I like about the Holton Heim is that it is so phyically EASY to play and allows me to reach incredibly high notes. What I dont like is that sometimes I end up using to much force and end up breaking up my notes when I begin to play, so I have to ease up on this mouthpiece, have a good aclamation warmup and everything is fine. Rick AKA Trumpet Man

09-24-2005, 05:09 PM	#2 (permalink)
Chris4 Pianissimo User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 101	I am on a constant mpc safari so my mpcs change often. Right now I use a Bach 3c for just about everything. My only complaint is that the rim is very round and it makes attacks uneasy. However, it has good range, endurance, and comfort. I can play comfortably on it for 3+ hours. My experience with the Holton Heim #2 was a little different. It was great for lead playing and made high notes much easier but the rim was so hard that it cut into my lips and cut all endurance. My endurance on that was about 15 minutes. I bought a Parduba Double-Cup #6 that I'm going to try out for awhile. It has a shallow cup and a tremendously deepened and widened conical second cup. The theory behind the double cup is that the higher the note you play, the farther on the mpc. the air stream is deflected. On the extreme high notes the air stream is almost to the rim,so the cup is very shallow there. In the lower register the air stream aims for the throat so the cup is deep there. Basically it's two mpcs. in one. I'm looking forward to playing it and it should be interesting. So those are the two mpcs I use now. __________________ Check Out my Forum TrumpetChat.myfreeforum.org Yamaha Xeno RGS Yamaha 2320 Parduba Double-Cup #6

09-25-2005, 10:42 AM	#3 (permalink)
trumpetpimp Piano User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 268	Endurance and range can be related to your mouthpiece but not to the size, to the match. You can't play something too big for you because you'll be huffing and puffing and trying to stuff your lips into the cup and you'll be out of steam in no time. On the other end, if you mouthpiece is too small you may hit a few extra high notes but after playing for a little bit your chops might swell a little and you'll be bottoming out before you know it. And obviously, finding a good mouthpiece match won't give you X number of hours of endurance, it'll just make things easier and reduce the general struggle of things. Endurance is based on your ability. If the 10c is working for you then why not play it all the time? Because it doesn't sound good? What about the 1c? If it sounds great but you can't last long enough then you have to make a decision. You have to play the mouthpiece that feels great and sounds great and deal with range and endurance after. __________________ For sale: Courtois 154 flugel http://www.trumpetherald.com/marketp...detail&id=5375 Kanstul 1500 Bb copper bell http://www.trumpetherald.com/marketp...detail&id=7504

09-25-2005, 03:15 PM	#7 (permalink)
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09-25-2005, 03:56 PM	#8 (permalink)
study888 Pianissimo User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 63	What is your endurance? Hello Rick. From what I am learning from my mouth piece safari. Keeps taking me back to the Alpha Angle info. by Mcamilleri. He has posted a update on the Trumpet Herald. Maybe here also. I remember one of his statements on dying on a 1C Bach but flying on the 1B Bach. The reason for more endurance on the Helm #2. could be a lot higher Alpha angle on it .Maybe as times goes on. Mcamilleri will be able give us this info. on all major brands. Including the soft bite, med. bite, sharp bite etc. Maybe higher the alpha angle sharper the bite. Not to sure about that. If it turns out to be a alpha angle change. You may consider a 1B bach are 1 1/2B Bach. Are have a 1C custom made with same alpha angle as the Helm. If that is possible. Also check out what a 40 year trumpet player named John Baber had to say about the 3DE Curry trumpet m. p. The review is posted on Mouthpiece Express site on the Curry trumpet mouthpice sales section. Good luck

09-25-2005, 10:57 AM	#4 (permalink)
Billy B Pianissimo User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Des Moines, IA Posts: 212	For me endurance is mostly a mental thing. My Tuesday schedule includes a one hour praatice session followed by 9 a.m.-noon teaching, then another one hour practice session followed by teaching from 3-9. I play throughout all lessons. By the end of the day I am pretty much mentally wasted.

09-25-2005, 12:45 PM	#5 (permalink)
john daniel New Friend Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: appleton, WI Posts: 18	RIGHT ON BILLY B! If my chops get tired I usually stop practicing. When I'm mentally exhausted, I can usually figure out a way to tire my chops out in under 30 minutes.

09-26-2005, 04:30 AM	#9 (permalink)
Rick Chartrand Piano User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Toronto Canada Posts: 391	Hey Study888 Thanks for the response and welcome to TrumpetMaster.com . Thanks you for the information on alpha angle. I know I have huge endurance on the Heim because it is a small mouthpiece, but never considered the alpha angle! The Heim is a V shaped mouthpiece with a deep cup so I think you may be right Rick AKA Trumpet Man

09-27-2005, 12:49 AM	#10 (permalink)
Daff New Friend Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 42	Pardone my ignorance, but when you guys are talking 2-3 hours, are you talking non-stop, wall-to-wall rigorous playing?......or what?

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