Why 2 tuning slides?

crowmadic · 07-15-2007, 12:02 AM

Who can explain this horn? C.G.Conn Ltd. Made in Elkhart Ind. is on the bell. The letter L is on the second valve casing as well as Patented Factory 4 in an emblem. The serial # is 123927.

bilboinsa · 07-15-2007, 01:07 AM

I think the additional tube changes the horn into a horn in the key of A vs Bb.

rowuk · 07-15-2007, 04:22 AM

I agree, either Bb/C or A/Bb. For Bb/C there would have to be another set of valve slides. Christine, the Connloyalist would have more info for sure!

crowmadic · 07-15-2007, 08:02 AM

hey fellas.........
Christine (the Conn loyalist) said because of its age it could be a cornet (if I understood her correctly). She said the 2 slides make it a high pitch/low pitch horn. But I don't know if that means the same as Bb/C, A/Bb, or Bb/C. It has a wonderful tone in spite of its terribly leaky valves. I paid $150.00 for it in a local pawn shop, and I'm trying to decide if I should have the valves worked on. What do yaall (southern speak) think?..........crow

wiseone2 · 07-15-2007, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by crowmadic

hey fellas.........
Christine (the Conn loyalist) said because of its age it could be a cornet (if I understood her correctly). She said the 2 slides make it a high pitch/low pitch horn. But I don't know if that means the same as Bb/C, A/Bb, or Bb/C. It has a wonderful tone in spite of its terribly leaky valves. I paid $150.00 for it in a local pawn shop, and I'm trying to decide if I should have the valves worked on. What do yaall (southern speak) think?..........crow

High Pitch References

High pitch seems to have been the preserve of the Philharmonic Orchestra movement and subsequently military bands. Our earliest clear reference seems to be a London Philharmonic concert in 1846. Despite a number of attempts to rein it in, it continued until 1895, when, according to conductor Sir Henry Wood, a throat specialist Dr George Cathcart financed the series of Promenade concerts on the condition they be conducted at Diapason Normal (435). It seems a compromise of 439Hz (the predecessor to modern pitch) was actually adopted.

The data point at 433Hz, 1820 has been included in the High Pitch series as a possible departure point for this pitch. Hopefully, further data might fill in the gaps between 1820 - 1846. Military bands battled on at 452 until 1927 when an amendment to the Kings Regulations adopted 439Hz.

crowmadic · 07-15-2007, 08:44 AM

Wilmer,
I hope I can find a mouthpiece that will put this horn in pitch with Bb/C. I'd like to have a horn that can do both. Am I thinking correctly?.........tom

wiseone2 · 07-15-2007, 09:04 AM

Bach has for many years offered a C/Bb trumpet. You should have no problem using one mouthpiece for both keys, but having the valve slides in the right place is paramount to good intonation.
Wilmer

07-15-2007, 01:07 AM	#2 (permalink)
bilboinsa Pianissimo User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 214	Re: Why 2 tuning slides? I think the additional tube changes the horn into a horn in the key of A vs Bb.
	__________________ Doug Walsdorf Schilke B2 Kanstul 1525 1927 Conn 22B New York Symphony "In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and an oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole, and that means comfort."

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rowuk Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Brand: Nat, Piston, Rotary Posts: 3,923	Re: Why 2 tuning slides? I agree, either Bb/C or A/Bb. For Bb/C there would have to be another set of valve slides. Christine, the Connloyalist would have more info for sure!
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07-15-2007, 08:02 AM	#4 (permalink)
crowmadic Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 524	Re: Why 2 tuning slides? hey fellas......... Christine (the Conn loyalist) said because of its age it could be a cornet (if I understood her correctly). She said the 2 slides make it a high pitch/low pitch horn. But I don't know if that means the same as Bb/C, A/Bb, or Bb/C. It has a wonderful tone in spite of its terribly leaky valves. I paid $150.00 for it in a local pawn shop, and I'm trying to decide if I should have the valves worked on. What do yaall (southern speak) think?..........crow

07-15-2007, 08:44 AM	#6 (permalink)
crowmadic Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 524	Re: Why 2 tuning slides? Wilmer, I hope I can find a mouthpiece that will put this horn in pitch with Bb/C. I'd like to have a horn that can do both. Am I thinking correctly?.........tom

07-15-2007, 09:04 AM	#7 (permalink)
wiseone2 Artitst in Residence Forte User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Brooklyn,NY Posts: 2,192	Re: Why 2 tuning slides? Bach has for many years offered a C/Bb trumpet. You should have no problem using one mouthpiece for both keys, but having the valve slides in the right place is paramount to good intonation. Wilmer
	__________________ Be sure Brain is engaged before putting Mouthpiece in gear. S.Suark 1951

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