Trumpet Discussion Discuss Wynton in the General forums; Aren't we just a lovely bunch of happy people...Like him or not, Wynton has done a lot for jazz and ...
Aren't we just a lovely bunch of happy people...Like him or not, Wynton has done a lot for jazz and for music as a whole. Even some of his workshops on youtube have benefitted me. Is he a criminal for letting some of it going to his head? I think if any of us were as good as he was we'd get at least a little bit arrogant.
How many of us would do workshops in front of "a bunch of kids"? Not many.
So...regardless of his personality (which I do not know much about), he has done a lot for music. Him and Miles just saw things differently.
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Last edited by Walter; 01-10-2008 at 09:09 AM.
Walter, you asked me how I determined Wynton's arrogance. I gave my reason, simple as that. I have never met him nor seen him play, I don't cruise the internet to find ways to bring people down.
The interviews I have seen he just comes off a little high on himself. So what, that could be time constraints causing him to act that way, I don't know. I stated an opinion, and stand corrected. I now realize that the great Wynton Marsalis is a humble, true humanitarian that stands for no other reason than to benefit the trumpet world with great music and to educate those who wish.
As far as Wynton being the greatest trumpeter to ever walk the expanse of earth. Codswallop, he is no better than Chet Baker, Clifford Brown or even Dizzy himself. He is just different, that is due to the era. Over time naturally music is going to shift and change. He is a representative of that changing time, that's all.
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"As far as Wynton being the greatest trumpeter to ever walk the expanse of earth. Codswallop, he is no better than Chet Baker, Clifford Brown or even Dizzy himself. He is just different, that is due to the era. Over time naturally music is going to shift and change. He is a representative of that changing time, that's all.'
Well, I guess we would have to determine what we mean by better?
Listening to the 7 disc set Live at the Vanguard over the last few days, I was struck by how really amazing his accomplishment is. He has distilled the various movements of jazz into a coherent whole, showcasing (in my opinion) the whole history of jazz into a polished, entertaining, tight, organzied, brilliantly performed art form. Few musicians, even the great ones, come near the discipline he has to pull this off.
On top of that, he has put together an administration and organization via Lincoln center that insures jazz lives on with the respect it deserves. Anyone who has worked within a non-profit world knows how difficult this is to pull off. To make the advances he has artistically as well as educationally and institutionally is unique in the history of jazz. That certainly places him in a spot by himself.
Christ, you're worried about what you perceive as his arrogance? (But you've never seen him play, never met him - what arrogance is that!).
There are people that are talented. There are people who build something meaningful for posterity. Wynton has done both. Artist, Educator, Administrator. All done with integrity, discipline, and perfection.
And then there are others, having accomplished nothing in their own lives feel it is their right and privilege to dismiss those that have. Idiots are born every minute. Artists of Wynton's stature come once a lifetime if we are lucky.
Last edited by Bill McCloskey; 01-10-2008 at 01:34 PM.
Originally Posted by Bill McCloskey
If you listen to that and you still don't like Wynton, then all hope is lost. That cd set is some of the most brilliant playing and writing on record.
Exceedingly well said Bill McClosky
Trent, it sounds like you grew up when I did. Herb Alpert had a variety show on tv. Al Hirt and Louis were all over pop radio. Chet Atkins and a lot of other great musicians were accessible to the masses, too.
It's not bad that Wynton wants to share the history of America's art form.
Also, it's good that we study the greats while we develop our chops.
My problem is that right now somebody is going through the motions on a tune from the Kind of Blue album (1959). That will most likely be followed by a lackluster performance of Autumn Leaves. How do we expect anyone to leave the comforting glow of their plasma tvs to go see us do that? The "Real Book" may be doing us more harm than good. Can't we write our own damn songs?
Actually this is the wrong forum for this thread. Wynton is not a trumpet player, he is a jazz musician that simply uses the trumpet as a conduit. I have found no interviews where he talks about leadpipes, bore size, O-rings or even his mouthpiece size.
He does talk about timing, sound and practice though - I guess the missing geekiness makes him a target for those with inferiority complexes. Maybe they need to start looking at things musical before closing the mind?
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