E flat Flugelhorn for Mahler's third posthorn solo

Luis M. Araya · 03-14-2007, 11:11 PM

Manny,

I was wondering what do you think about using an E flat flugel for that solo,
check this one:

Eb Fluegelhorn, Model 368- Henri Selmer Paris

Luis Araya.

Manny Laureano · 03-14-2007, 11:37 PM

It never occurred to me that such an instrument even existed! It would be a question of finding a proper mouthpiece that could control the pitch. I have a Bb flugelhorn with a mouthpiece that helps it sound beautifully.

Thanks for providing the link and some new information!

ML

Mikey · 03-14-2007, 11:42 PM

Bud told me one time his weapon of choice for the Posthorn solo was an Eb Cornet with a deeper than normal mouthpiece. This Eb flugel would be interesting, providing the intonation is good........

Luis M. Araya · 03-14-2007, 11:43 PM

Here in COsta Rica we have one owned by the orchestra, it plays out of tune, but it is very old also and I guess someone could repair this intonation problem, maybe a new one could be more in tune. I also think that with the propper mouthpiece could be a good option for that solo.

regards,

Luis.

Manny Laureano · 03-15-2007, 12:05 AM

I have an old Eb cornet that used to belong to Mel Broiles... who knows?

ML

Mikey · 03-15-2007, 12:38 AM

Maybe with something like a Wick 2B cornet mouthpiece, if you can tolerate that thin rim. I bet Dave M. could make something better, though..

;)

SamTheMan · 03-15-2007, 09:03 PM

Do people tend to play the posthorn solo on a smaller (Eb, D, etc.) horn to alleviate some of the physical strain of the passage or to replicate the sound of an old posthorn? I have never had to perform the solo and don't quite understand why it isn't usually played on a Bb or C trumpet.

ecarroll · 03-15-2007, 09:27 PM

Manny and others,

I played the posthorn solo once in Rotterdam on exactly the flugelhorn described above. It worked wonderfully.

Loves A major,
EC

Jon Kratzer · 03-19-2007, 09:41 PM

Maybe it's just me, but I would shy from the flugel. Remember posthorn still has a brilliance to it that Flugels lack. A Cornet would fit tone more, or an actual post horn lol. Just try to get a pure sound and shine with it. I've even used C trumpet with a felt bag over the bell..

Jon

Luis M. Araya · 03-20-2007, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon Kratzer

Maybe it's just me, but I would shy from the flugel. Remember posthorn still has a brilliance to it that Flugels lack. A Cornet would fit tone more, or an actual post horn lol. Just try to get a pure sound and shine with it. I've even used C trumpet with a felt bag over the bell..

Jon

Jon, as I remember that flugel model is not as dark as Bflat flugelhorns, at least the one I played. Have you played one?

For Ed, How was the intonation in the one you played?

03-14-2007, 11:11 PM	#1 (permalink)
Luis M. Araya Pianissimo User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 73	E flat Flugelhorn for Mahler's third posthorn solo Manny, I was wondering what do you think about using an E flat flugel for that solo, check this one: Eb Fluegelhorn, Model 368- Henri Selmer Paris Luis Araya.
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03-14-2007, 11:37 PM	#2 (permalink)
Manny Laureano Utimate User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: USA Posts: 5,989	Re: E flat Flugelhorn for Mahler's third posthorn solo It never occurred to me that such an instrument even existed! It would be a question of finding a proper mouthpiece that could control the pitch. I have a Bb flugelhorn with a mouthpiece that helps it sound beautifully. Thanks for providing the link and some new information! ML

03-14-2007, 11:42 PM	#3 (permalink)
Mikey Forte User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,857	Re: E flat Flugelhorn for Mahler's third posthorn solo Bud told me one time his weapon of choice for the Posthorn solo was an Eb Cornet with a deeper than normal mouthpiece. This Eb flugel would be interesting, providing the intonation is good........
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03-14-2007, 11:43 PM	#4 (permalink)
Luis M. Araya Pianissimo User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 73	Re: E flat Flugelhorn for Mahler's third posthorn solo Here in COsta Rica we have one owned by the orchestra, it plays out of tune, but it is very old also and I guess someone could repair this intonation problem, maybe a new one could be more in tune. I also think that with the propper mouthpiece could be a good option for that solo. regards, Luis.
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03-15-2007, 12:05 AM	#5 (permalink)
Manny Laureano Utimate User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: USA Posts: 5,989	Re: E flat Flugelhorn for Mahler's third posthorn solo I have an old Eb cornet that used to belong to Mel Broiles... who knows? ML

03-15-2007, 12:38 AM	#6 (permalink)
Mikey Forte User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,857	Re: E flat Flugelhorn for Mahler's third posthorn solo Maybe with something like a Wick 2B cornet mouthpiece, if you can tolerate that thin rim. I bet Dave M. could make something better, though.. ;)
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SamTheMan New Friend Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 36	Re: E flat Flugelhorn for Mahler's third posthorn solo Do people tend to play the posthorn solo on a smaller (Eb, D, etc.) horn to alleviate some of the physical strain of the passage or to replicate the sound of an old posthorn? I have never had to perform the solo and don't quite understand why it isn't usually played on a Bb or C trumpet.
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ecarroll Artist in Residence Forte User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: NH/CA/PQ Posts: 1,401	Re: E flat Flugelhorn for Mahler's third posthorn solo Manny and others, I played the posthorn solo once in Rotterdam on exactly the flugelhorn described above. It worked wonderfully. Loves A major, EC

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Jon Kratzer Pianissimo User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sanford, Florida Posts: 139	Re: E flat Flugelhorn for Mahler's third posthorn solo Maybe it's just me, but I would shy from the flugel. Remember posthorn still has a brilliance to it that Flugels lack. A Cornet would fit tone more, or an actual post horn lol. Just try to get a pure sound and shine with it. I've even used C trumpet with a felt bag over the bell.. Jon
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