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Old 05-15-2007, 07:58 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hartmann's Carnival of Venice

Can anyone please explain how the fourth variation is supposed to be played? Someone gave me a plausible explanation, but I want as many opinions as possible. I'm just really curious.

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Old 05-15-2007, 08:32 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Hartmann's Carnival of Venice

Can you elaborate your question? The music in itself does not seem to be too complicated so it would be useful to askk more detailed question...
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Re: Hartmann's Carnival of Venice

Look carefully, Nick. It's the theme in a simple manner but underneath is a low C in tremolo. I wonder if the idea is to play multiphonics? In other words, to sing a low C as a pedal (not pedal tone in the brass sense) while you play the melody. If that's the case it would be tough. It's the only possible reason he would have written such a simple version of the melody on top.

That's my guess.

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Old 05-15-2007, 11:50 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Hartmann's Carnival of Venice

that would be pretty tough to do. might have to give it a try just for fun.
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Re: Hartmann's Carnival of Venice

It may be worth sending Dave Hickman an email. Classical cornet repetoire is his 'thing' (and long may it remain so...fantastic stuff).

I'll have a guess that he meant for the low C to be triple toungued as a drone while playing and accenting the melody in 'clipped' form on top. The effect is very like 2 cornets playing and when done well is very impressive. I'm guessing this because I played 'Facalita' years and years ago (also by Hartmann) and the last variation in that had a similar concept, although the nomenclature was different. It seems to be an effect that he liked using (as did Arban).


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Re: Hartmann's Carnival of Venice

Boy, ya learn more around here by accident than you do in four years at school... Bravo, Trevor... that's as well-founded a theory as any.

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Re: Hartmann's Carnival of Venice

Hmmm, it seems like you could either play an eigth note low C during every 1/8th rest (not too difficult) OR... play triplets on every 1/8th note so that you either play the melody note plus two low Cs (TTK) or three low Cs on an 1/8th rest (harder!). Looks like fun either way!

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Re: Hartmann's Carnival of Venice

Thanks guys! I really appreciate it. The consensus seems to be that low Cs should be played whereever there is a rest in the melody part. The question is, how many Cs? I guess it is possible to play up to four demisemiquavers (32nd notes) for each quaver rest by the looks of other variations. However, there are only three lines through the stem so may be it's supposed to be semiquaver triplets.
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Re: Hartmann's Carnival of Venice

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I'll have a guess that he meant for the low C to be triple toungued as a drone while playing and accenting the melody in 'clipped' form on top. The effect is very like 2 cornets playing and when done well is very impressive. I'm guessing this because I played 'Facalita' years and years ago (also by Hartmann) and the last variation in that had a similar concept, although the nomenclature was different. It seems to be an effect that he liked using (as did Arban).
Rule Britannia also employs the same concept used by Facilita for the last variation. Not many American cornetists seemed to have recorded this piece though! !
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