Hummel in E

Trumpet Dad · 06-27-2009, 09:08 PM

What key trumpet do most people use for Hummel Concerto in E(not Eb) when performing with an orchestra? Can it be done on a C or Bb?

Vulgano Brother · 06-27-2009, 10:27 PM

One can play it on the E trumpet (oh boy! Yet another horn to buy!) but it lays well on the C trumpet--better than on the D. Playing on the Bb would put it in F# major, which has more sharps than we like to handle.

Pedal C · 06-27-2009, 10:32 PM

It's not so bad on C trumpet, actually. I was pleasantly surprised when I first looked at it on C.

rowuk · 06-28-2009, 09:48 AM

Your question was about "most" people. The answer is an E trumpet.

It also works on a C trumpet with the slides pulled out to B. Then you play in F - a cinch.

The real pitch is subject to much conjecture. Several instruments from that period that I have seen in Vienna were tuned to A=465. Others much lower.

Unfortunately, we do not know if Anton Weidinger used the same trumpet for the Hummel as for the Haydn. The Hummel does not need as many keys to play the part as the Haydn.

The only reasons today for E major are the more brilliant sound of the orchestra and an easier job for the violins (perhaps also justification to buy another horn). A modern trumpet has a substantially different tone than the original (thank God), so there is no historical basis to support one preference over the other. Most recordings available in E have intonation issues not present in the Eb counterparts.

Bugleboy21 · 10-23-2009, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by rowuk

Most recordings available in E have intonation issues not present in the Eb counterparts.

Yup. I have done this in E on C tpt and it opened a whole new can of worms. I think that it is good to alternate performing in E and Eb since it brings a new perspective of the same piece...new challenges. It's all healthy.

06-27-2009, 09:08 PM	#1
Trumpet Dad Pianissimo User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 149	Hummel in E What key trumpet do most people use for Hummel Concerto in E(not Eb) when performing with an orchestra? Can it be done on a C or Bb?

06-27-2009, 10:27 PM	#2
Vulgano Brother Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 4,253	Re: Hummel in E One can play it on the E trumpet (oh boy! Yet another horn to buy!) but it lays well on the C trumpet--better than on the D. Playing on the Bb would put it in F# major, which has more sharps than we like to handle. __________________ "A tool good enough to be so used and not too good" C.S. Lewis That Hideous Strength www.letsbuildhope.org

06-27-2009, 10:32 PM	#3
Pedal C Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Denver, Co. Posts: 798	Re: Hummel in E It's not so bad on C trumpet, actually. I was pleasantly surprised when I first looked at it on C. __________________ "The oboe's A is to make sure we still play it 1 and 2" - Bud Herseth "One way or another, every patient stops bleeding." - Scrubs

06-28-2009, 09:48 AM	#4
rowuk Moderator Utimate User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 7,365	Re: Hummel in E Your question was about "most" people. The answer is an E trumpet. It also works on a C trumpet with the slides pulled out to B. Then you play in F - a cinch. The real pitch is subject to much conjecture. Several instruments from that period that I have seen in Vienna were tuned to A=465. Others much lower. Unfortunately, we do not know if Anton Weidinger used the same trumpet for the Hummel as for the Haydn. The Hummel does not need as many keys to play the part as the Haydn. The only reasons today for E major are the more brilliant sound of the orchestra and an easier job for the violins (perhaps also justification to buy another horn). A modern trumpet has a substantially different tone than the original (thank God), so there is no historical basis to support one preference over the other. Most recordings available in E have intonation issues not present in the Eb counterparts. __________________ Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

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