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I was listening to a violin solo on the radio today and started thinking, I'm not sure I would play it that way.

This got me thinking about how different instruments would phrase the same tune.

Would a violin play it the same way as a trumpet? How about the oboe?

A long time ago someone posted a clip and asked for advise. A famous player told the player to be careful not to play each note by itself. The pro called it sausage playing. Well, the violin today was doing it. The violin also was using vibrato on almost every note and it was heavy.

What if your playing in the orchestra and a phrase is being passed around. Violin first and then oboe and then trumpet. Does the trumpet play it the way the others did or make it different because it's a trumpet?

Can we listen to other instruments to get ideas for us on how to play musically?

I hope our pro players with their own forum will also participate.

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Vulgano Brother

There is something known as "idiomatic" playing. That means that a trumpet will play like a trumpet no matter how much the conductor jumps up and down. One of my favorite lines from the trumpeters that used to play for Helmut Rilling was "Bach knew the trumpet is loud, if he wanted the passage as soft as you would like, he would have written it for recorder!" That does not prevent us from copying the different articulations from the strings, or the lyric note connection from the winds.
We will talk about phrasing across sections in rehearsal to each other, and that guy with the stick jumping up and down just a moment ago will realize if the violin has taken the melody away from the composer and holds it hostage so that it is impossible to pass the line he will jump up and down for that. In the ideal state (and I've had the privilege to be there a time or two) as the Grateful Dead put it:"the music plays the band." Cool stuff, and the lines get passed most beautifully--like setting up a spike in volleyball: "here strings, go for it!"

Yup! That can include singers, the Grateful Dead, Frank Zappa, Rush, the Tubes, Tower of Power, Maynard, Miles, the Beatles, Hildegard von Bingen...

Have fun exploring!

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Schwab

I was always told to go hear as many soprano recitals as I could when I was in school, and to emulate their phrasing. When I was going to do my recital I found a flautist that I really liked and had her play through one of the pieces I was doing to see how she would play it.

I think most good musicians use a singing style in their playing.

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MJ

Sure... you were there to try and emulate their phrasing. We know how you rolled Schwab. Trying to get them to Bears Place after the show!

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Schwab

Yeah, you're right! I only went to hear the hot ones!

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rowuk

The essence of music is not in how high or low, loud or soft, fast or slow. It is in bringing the phrase to life. A fine trumpet player can pass the ball to a recorder who in turn passes to the violin or oboe. Their dedication to the cause will find a common denominator - without denial of an instruments basic traits.
If you listen to the vibrato of a fine fiddle player like David Oistrakh, you will hear a common denominator with Timofei Dokshizer. A fine vibratoless piano player like Gerald Moore, did a fantastic job of accompanying Dietrich Fischer Dieskau, one of the finest baritones ever.

If you noticed the vibrato on the radio that much, then it was too much. Before condemming it though. Practice like that for a whole week and THEN make your decision. Many times the fiddle player did just fine but the recording engineer decided that the exaggerated picture that his close miking created was "better" than the real sound in the hall.

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I like trying to play like a violin....and a cowbell. Just to answer the real question!

Love,
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