Tchaikovsky 4 1st movement

tptla · 10-05-2009, 01:45 PM

Does anyone have any suggestions (beyond practicing,counting, listening...) on counting the middle section of movement 1? I am subbing just for one rehearsal and have trouble getting in at the right place etc when listening to recordings. I suppose it is because the strong beats the brass plays are not on the downbeats. Any tips would be apprectiated. Thanks!

rowuk · 10-05-2009, 07:24 PM

Practicing, counting, listening are the premiere tools for playing in an orchestra. If you don't have them mastered, you don't belong there at all. There is no shortcut to solid playing. The second trumpet player counts the bars of rest for the first.

tptla · 10-05-2009, 11:22 PM

I'm sorry I really was not looking for a shortcut. I was looking for someone with more experience to give me some advice.

tedh1951 · 10-05-2009, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tptla

I'm sorry I really was not looking for a shortcut. I was looking for someone with more experience to give me some advice.

..... and tha's EXACTLY what you got.

tpetplyr · 10-06-2009, 08:00 AM

Find a score (try imslp.org) and listen to the piece while reading it. Do this a lot, pay attention to the parts and their entrances in rhythm. Conduct a little. You'll learn the piece much more quickly than simply listening. Actually study other entrances in relationship to yours. I've found this to be a really effective way to learn music. The only downside is that you don't tend to forget it - even after the gig!

Stuart

tptla · 10-06-2009, 05:19 PM

Thank-you Stuart!

wiseone2 · 10-06-2009, 05:40 PM

I sat next to Leo Gomberg when I was a kid learning the routine. He would try to catch me not concentrating on the count. Gomberg always knew where he was in the music.
COUNT!!!!!!!
Wilmer

kcmt01 · 10-06-2009, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by wiseone2

I sat next to Leo Gomberg when I was a kid learning the routine. He would try to catch me not concentrating on the count. Gomberg always knew where he was in the music.
COUNT!!!!!!!
Wilmer

Yeah!!! It doesn't matter if it's dixieland or Beethoven, Count!! If you are really paying attention to the count at all times, it will eventually become second nature. You won't be able to help it. And I like the idea of reading the score while listening to a recording. (And counting, of course). 2,3,4....

B15M · 10-06-2009, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by rowuk

The second trumpet player counts the bars of rest for the first.

Come on !!!

kcmt01 · 10-06-2009, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by B15M

Come on !!!

The first trumpet always reserves the right to blame someone else for screwing up the count.

10-05-2009, 01:45 PM	#1
tptla New Friend Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5	Tchaikovsky 4 1st movement Does anyone have any suggestions (beyond practicing,counting, listening...) on counting the middle section of movement 1? I am subbing just for one rehearsal and have trouble getting in at the right place etc when listening to recordings. I suppose it is because the strong beats the brass plays are not on the downbeats. Any tips would be apprectiated. Thanks!

10-05-2009, 07:24 PM	#2
rowuk Moderator Utimate User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 7,364	Re: Tchaikovsky 4 1st movement Practicing, counting, listening are the premiere tools for playing in an orchestra. If you don't have them mastered, you don't belong there at all. There is no shortcut to solid playing. The second trumpet player counts the bars of rest for the first. __________________ Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

10-05-2009, 11:22 PM	#3
tptla New Friend Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5	Re: Tchaikovsky 4 1st movement I'm sorry I really was not looking for a shortcut. I was looking for someone with more experience to give me some advice.

10-06-2009, 08:00 AM	#5
tpetplyr Pianissimo User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 147	Re: Tchaikovsky 4 1st movement Find a score (try imslp.org) and listen to the piece while reading it. Do this a lot, pay attention to the parts and their entrances in rhythm. Conduct a little. You'll learn the piece much more quickly than simply listening. Actually study other entrances in relationship to yours. I've found this to be a really effective way to learn music. The only downside is that you don't tend to forget it - even after the gig! Stuart

10-06-2009, 05:19 PM	#6
tptla New Friend Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5	Re: Tchaikovsky 4 1st movement Thank-you Stuart!

10-06-2009, 05:40 PM	#7
wiseone2 Artitst in Residence Fortissimo User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Brooklyn,NY Posts: 2,870	Re: Tchaikovsky 4 1st movement I sat next to Leo Gomberg when I was a kid learning the routine. He would try to catch me not concentrating on the count. Gomberg always knew where he was in the music. COUNT!!!!!!! Wilmer __________________ Be sure Brain is engaged before putting Mouthpiece in gear. S.Suark 1951

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