trumpetnick

I am not sure where exactly this thread belongs but suppose that brass bands should be included in the orchestra area. I could eventually put this in the Rowuk period debate thread, but it seemed to it deserved to get a new thread. So, this thread is mainly addressed to all you guys who are trying to keep the orchestra work together with brass band and cornet solo work...How differents is/should be your playing on the two instruments? The deeper cup (myself I am playing a deep V cup Denis Wick 4W cornet mouthpiece) may suggest more french horn like playing...I asked this question to Roger Webster who plays both, though he is doing much more cornet than trumpet and he told me that he tended to move (release) lips more (I suppose especially on the low register) on the cornet than on the trumpet. I do play slightly differently on the cornet but would like to know what other people are doing?

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rowuk

Hi Nick,
when I play cornet, I don't even think about my chops or the hardware. I concentrate more on the more "playful" spirit of the cornet. Words that come to mind: flexible, light, fun, virtuoso................... I always have such a great time with the cornet - it is a shame to put it back into the case!

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camelbrass

I try and leave my trumpet sound in the bag.

I like rowuk's take on it. I think Fantasie Brilliante rather than William Tell Overture...I have no idea whether I change anything physically. I suppose I must change something but I have no idea what and when or how.

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Trevor

Dale Proctor

I agree - I play cornet whenever possible. Relaxed (I play 2nd part in brass band - if I played Solo part it wouldn't be relaxed!), light, lyrical, sweet, and singing are the terms that come to mind. I approach the technical stuff less brutally when playing a cornet than when playing trumpet, also.

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adohanian

I don't want to use radically different equipment and I definitely don't want to change anything physically, so I would agree with Rowuk and concentrate on style above all else

adam

cornetguy

again the concept of style and sound. find mouthpiece that won't mess with your face too much. i wind up using a comprimise mouthpiece that seems to work really well. (Laskey 75DB) i have tried the wick 2 and 2B and although I like the sound I can't stand the rim.

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trumpetnick

I have spend few hours testing cornet mouthpieces on the Brass fest last year at the Royal Northern College of Music to end up with a the Denis Wick 4W (V cup, very nice sound). The rim is quite similar to my Bach 1 1/2 C trumpet moutpiece but it is much deeper. Don't really feel like messing up with my embouchure. Notes above top C are not very nice, but I do not play them on the cornet very often anyway. The deeper cup make me play differently on the cornet but I like this - it gives me a very nice dark and flugel like sound.

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Dale Proctor

Noooooooo...... Not this again - excuse me while I rant. Cornets should be played to sound like a cornet, not a flugelhorn. Flugelhorns should be played to sound as flugelhorns should, cornets should be played to sound as cornets should, and trumpets should be played to sound as trumpets should. There's way too much use of big, funnel-shaped cornet mouthpieces in an attempt to sound like a flugel. When I want to sound like a flugel, I play my flugel. Cornets should be between the dark sound of the flugel and the bright sound of the trumpet.

Now I feel better.

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dcstep

I think there are two keys to doubling between trumpet and cornet. One is using a "correct" mouthpiece for the genre. In the case of brass band style, I use a Sparx 2B in my Lawler cornet, where I use a GR67M or GR67C in my trumpets, depending on the resistance of the trumpet. The second key is practicing cornet in a cornet fashion and listening for the "cornet" tone. This means, to me, practicing Arban's and Clark. When I first got my Lawler cornet after several years of not playing cornet at all, it took me a week or two of playing Arban's Characteristic Studies before I started achieving a "true" cornet tone, but it came. When played properly, those studies are much easier on cornet than on trumpet.

Dave

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trumpjosh

I think there is a big difference between playing cornet in orchestra and playing solo cornet. I play a Curry 1VC (a very deep mp) when I play solo with piano and used that mouthpiece when I recorded my CD. Last week, I wound up using a Bach 1C "cornet" mouthpiece in Malaysia when playing Bartok's Wooden Prince. As everyone knows, that is basically a trumpet mouthpiece with a cornet blank. I tried a Laskey DB, but it just wasn't cutting through the thick texture. I didn't have my Curry 1VC with me, but trust me... I wouldn't have stood a chance with that.

Good luck keeping up with modern trombones using a traditional cornet mouthpiece! As with everything, pick the best tools for the particular job.

- Josh