Derby markings in Pennsylvania 6-5000

Fudleysmith · 12-04-2006, 06:20 PM

Hi All,

Our swing band is adding some original arrangements to our play list and the latest is the Jerry Gray arrangement of Pennsylvania 6-5000.

In the second half of the chart there are numerous +, -, and 0 marks that I believe are derby marks. My understanding is that + is covered and 0 is open.

What does the - mark mean?

Many thanks,

Solar Bell · 12-04-2006, 06:37 PM

I'm looking at my chart and from the change to Eb out ( measure 71) there are derby markings of + and 0.

Under some of the 0's are > accent marks and under some of the +'s are legato markings.

The legato marks all also have scoops or slights glisses before them.

Give the +- notes their full value and accent the 0> notes.

-cw-

Dale Proctor · 12-04-2006, 06:41 PM

Does the - always occur between a + and a 0? I'm thinking it may indicate a transition from + to 0.

Solar Bell · 12-04-2006, 06:53 PM

I have a stock of that chart and the - markings are under the + marks.

-cw-

Fudleysmith · 12-05-2006, 01:03 AM

Thanks for the replies.

The - marks are always between the + and 0 marks except for sequential eighth notes (two measures before H and two measures before I). They even appear over eighth note rests after G and I. [D is the key change to Eb. E is the key change back to Bb 16 bars later, F, G, H, and I all follow in 8 bar increments with the end of the song 8 bars after I].

Logic makes me think that Dale's response of the - being a transition mark is probably correct, but logic has left me stranded before.

I've seen the GM band in concert twice in the last year, and I know that they do alot of choreographed moves with the derbys, but just can't decipher what is required here.

I tried to attach a scan of a representative section. Thanks again for your help!

Fudleysmith · 12-05-2006, 01:08 AM

Since the last scan seemed to work, I added another here to show the - marks over eighth note rests between the + and 0

rowuk · 12-05-2006, 08:00 AM

Wilmer has to know this one. He probably put the - marks there!

wiseone2 · 12-05-2006, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowuk

Wilmer has to know this one. He probably put the - marks there!

It's "Stump the Trumpets"

They are just trying to see if you're awake.
It simply means don't move until the next 0. Play the sign until that next indication...0-+ open to closed. +-0 closed to open .
It is to make sure you don't do any Lunceford type hat fans. Clear

Wilmer

Dale Proctor · 12-05-2006, 03:36 PM

After looking at the scans, it looks to me like the desired effect may be a "slide" to open or closed hat on the note following the -. I say this because some of the -'s are over rests. As Wilmer said, that would indicate leaving the hat in the previous position indicated, and then reversing the effect on that note. So, + - 0 would be "Duuuwwwah" (or something like that

), instead of Du Wah. Clear as mud, right?

Solar Bell · 12-05-2006, 03:45 PM

Just listen to the recording....you will hear what to do.

-cw-

12-04-2006, 06:20 PM	#1
Fudleysmith Pianissimo User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Niantic, CT Posts: 100	Derby markings in Pennsylvania 6-5000 Hi All, Our swing band is adding some original arrangements to our play list and the latest is the Jerry Gray arrangement of Pennsylvania 6-5000. In the second half of the chart there are numerous +, -, and 0 marks that I believe are derby marks. My understanding is that + is covered and 0 is open. What does the - mark mean? Many thanks, __________________ Fudleysmith Conn V1 Rose brass bell GR 65M #1bb Conn V1 Flugel (Satin Silver) GR 65FD Conn 8DRS Lawson S670/P10G 705

12-04-2006, 06:37 PM	#2
Solar Bell Moderator Utimate User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 5,526	I'm looking at my chart and from the change to Eb out ( measure 71) there are derby markings of + and 0. Under some of the 0's are > accent marks and under some of the +'s are legato markings. The legato marks all also have scoops or slights glisses before them. Give the +- notes their full value and accent the 0> notes. -cw- __________________ Chuck Willard *The Willard of Oz* "Don't be afraid to see what you see." Ronald Reagan The average response time of a 911 call is over 4 minutes. The average speed of my 9mm is 1250 fps *When seconds count....the police are only minutes away.*

12-04-2006, 06:41 PM	#3
Dale Proctor Forte User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Heart of Dixie Posts: 1,125	Does the - always occur between a + and a 0? I'm thinking it may indicate a transition from + to 0. __________________ Olde Towne Brass www.otbrass.com Brass Band of Huntsville www.brassbandofhuntsville.org "Hit it hard and wish it well." - Claude Gordon

12-04-2006, 06:53 PM	#4
Solar Bell Moderator Utimate User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 5,526	I have a stock of that chart and the - markings are under the + marks. -cw- __________________ Chuck Willard *The Willard of Oz* "Don't be afraid to see what you see." Ronald Reagan The average response time of a 911 call is over 4 minutes. The average speed of my 9mm is 1250 fps *When seconds count....the police are only minutes away.*

12-05-2006, 08:00 AM	#7
rowuk Moderator Utimate User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 7,359	Wilmer has to know this one. He probably put the - marks there! __________________ Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

12-05-2006, 03:36 PM	#9
Dale Proctor Forte User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Heart of Dixie Posts: 1,125	After looking at the scans, it looks to me like the desired effect may be a "slide" to open or closed hat on the note following the -. I say this because some of the -'s are over rests. As Wilmer said, that would indicate leaving the hat in the previous position indicated, and then reversing the effect on that note. So, + - 0 would be "Duuuwwwah" (or something like that ), instead of Du Wah. Clear as mud, right? __________________ Olde Towne Brass www.otbrass.com Brass Band of Huntsville www.brassbandofhuntsville.org "Hit it hard and wish it well." - Claude Gordon

12-05-2006, 03:45 PM	#10
Solar Bell Moderator Utimate User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 5,526	Just listen to the recording....you will hear what to do. -cw- __________________ Chuck Willard *The Willard of Oz* "Don't be afraid to see what you see." Ronald Reagan The average response time of a 911 call is over 4 minutes. The average speed of my 9mm is 1250 fps *When seconds count....the police are only minutes away.*

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