Fudleysmith

Hi All,

Our swing band is adding some original arrangements to our play list and the latest is the Jerry Gray arrangement of Pennsylvania 6-5000.

In the second half of the chart there are numerous +, -, and 0 marks that I believe are derby marks. My understanding is that + is covered and 0 is open.

What does the - mark mean?

Many thanks,

Solar Bell

I'm looking at my chart and from the change to Eb out ( measure 71) there are derby markings of + and 0.

Under some of the 0's are > accent marks and under some of the +'s are legato markings.

The legato marks all also have scoops or slights glisses before them.

Give the +- notes their full value and accent the 0> notes.

-cw-

Dale Proctor

Does the - always occur between a + and a 0? I'm thinking it may indicate a transition from + to 0.

Solar Bell

I have a stock of that chart and the - markings are under the + marks.

-cw-

Fudleysmith

Thanks for the replies.

The - marks are always between the + and 0 marks except for sequential eighth notes (two measures before H and two measures before I). They even appear over eighth note rests after G and I. [D is the key change to Eb. E is the key change back to Bb 16 bars later, F, G, H, and I all follow in 8 bar increments with the end of the song 8 bars after I].

Logic makes me think that Dale's response of the - being a transition mark is probably correct, but logic has left me stranded before.

I've seen the GM band in concert twice in the last year, and I know that they do alot of choreographed moves with the derbys, but just can't decipher what is required here.

I tried to attach a scan of a representative section. Thanks again for your help!

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Fudleysmith

Since the last scan seemed to work, I added another here to show the - marks over eighth note rests between the + and 0

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rowuk

Wilmer has to know this one. He probably put the - marks there!

wiseone2

It's "Stump the Trumpets" They are just trying to see if you're awake.
It simply means don't move until the next 0. Play the sign until that next indication...0-+ open to closed. +-0 closed to open .
It is to make sure you don't do any Lunceford type hat fans. Clear
Wilmer

Dale Proctor

After looking at the scans, it looks to me like the desired effect may be a "slide" to open or closed hat on the note following the -. I say this because some of the -'s are over rests. As Wilmer said, that would indicate leaving the hat in the previous position indicated, and then reversing the effect on that note. So, + - 0 would be "Duuuwwwah" (or something like that ), instead of Du Wah. Clear as mud, right?

Solar Bell

Just listen to the recording....you will hear what to do.

-cw-