Differences between commericial and classical trumpet playing techniques

trmpt_plyr · 11-03-2009, 01:16 PM

I heard that Commercial trumpeters often pronounce the notes of the upper register with an "ee" in order to have a nice sounding overtone, while classical trumpet player don't do it. Are there any other things that commercial trumpeters do that classical musicians don't, and vice versa?

Vulgano Brother · 11-03-2009, 05:13 PM

Uhhh. I don't know of any different technique for commercial vs. classical vs. jazz vs. whatever... The trumpet can be played one of two different ways--well or badly, and the same rules of good playing apply to all genres.

What you might be asking about is a difference in style. A good trumpet player can master a variety of styles using the same equipment. By getting the basics down, our internal ear will help us achieve the sound (and style) we are emulating without the need for a hyper-vigilant body.

Good luck, and have fun experimenting!

TrumpetMD · 11-03-2009, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by trmpt_plyr

I heard that Commercial trumpeters often pronounce the notes of the upper register with an "ee" in order to have a nice sounding overtone, while classical trumpet player don't do it. Are there any other things that commercial trumpeters do that classical musicians don't, and vice versa?

Interesting question (w/ Vulgano's clarification noted).

FWIW, Clarke talks about "Tu" for lower notes and "Te" for higher notes in the tonguing section of the Practical Studies. So this isn't a new concept.

Pedal C · 11-03-2009, 10:47 PM

I don't think the technique really changes, but the sound concepts of the players are going to be different. That can change the sound pretty dramatically without changing any "technique."

Markie · 11-04-2009, 11:08 AM

The big difference for me is the change I need to make in my head when going from one genre to another. Everything else (technique) is basically the same.

sj3209 · 11-04-2009, 02:43 PM

To the OP:

What kind of music do you play?
How old are you?
Do you use specific vowels in your playing?
What are your goals?

Richard III

marcbosch · 11-08-2009, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trmpt_plyr

I heard that Commercial trumpeters often pronounce the notes of the upper register with an "ee" in order to have a nice sounding overtone, while classical trumpet player don't do it. Are there any other things that commercial trumpeters do that classical musicians don't, and vice versa?

Well, I am a classical trumpet student and my teacher has always told me to "ee" the high notes. I suggest you to try it. Also, with high "jumps" you should do the following: "press down" your diafragm and think of the note on octave lower and then "falsetto" it.

bagmangood · 11-08-2009, 04:10 PM

For what its worth, all trumpeters strive to have a constant sound concept in all registers,
Tah vs. tu vs. tee is just using different images for the same goal

Veldkamp · 11-08-2009, 05:02 PM

When I play lead for a while my embouchure is quite different to my classical embouchure. When I play loud & high tutti's with a projecting and sizzling sound (lot's of high overtones) I have a much stiffer embouchure (so it can endure more mpc pressure...)

When I play classical, my chops are soft and much more flexible. So the feeling of my embouchure is quite the opposite.

I don't do tongue positions, my tongue stays as relaxed and low as posible all the time, also in the extreme register. The tongue has to stay out of the way of my airstream to keep a big open sound.

But to make the change I only think about the sound I want to hear, and my embouchure will change by itself after some practicing/playing.

Vulgano Brother · 11-09-2009, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by marcbosch

Well, I am a classical trumpet student and my teacher has always told me to "ee" the high notes. I suggest you to try it. Also, with high "jumps" you should do the following: "press down" your diafragm and think of the note on octave lower and then "falsetto" it.

Welcome to TM, marcbosch!

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11-03-2009, 01:16 PM	#1
trmpt_plyr Pianissimo User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: US Posts: 84	Differences between commericial and classical trumpet playing techniques I heard that Commercial trumpeters often pronounce the notes of the upper register with an "ee" in order to have a nice sounding overtone, while classical trumpet player don't do it. Are there any other things that commercial trumpeters do that classical musicians don't, and vice versa? __________________ Hooray for Trumpet Players Everywhere!

11-03-2009, 05:13 PM	#2
Vulgano Brother Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 4,253	Re: Differences between commericial and classical trumpet playing techniques Uhhh. I don't know of any different technique for commercial vs. classical vs. jazz vs. whatever... The trumpet can be played one of two different ways--well or badly, and the same rules of good playing apply to all genres. What you might be asking about is a difference in style. A good trumpet player can master a variety of styles using the same equipment. By getting the basics down, our internal ear will help us achieve the sound (and style) we are emulating without the need for a hyper-vigilant body. Good luck, and have fun experimenting! __________________ "A tool good enough to be so used and not too good" C.S. Lewis That Hideous Strength www.letsbuildhope.org

11-03-2009, 10:47 PM	#4
Pedal C Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Denver, Co. Posts: 799	Re: Differences between commericial and classical trumpet playing techniques I don't think the technique really changes, but the sound concepts of the players are going to be different. That can change the sound pretty dramatically without changing any "technique." __________________ "The oboe's A is to make sure we still play it 1 and 2" - Bud Herseth "One way or another, every patient stops bleeding." - Scrubs

11-04-2009, 11:08 AM	#5
Markie Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Clarksburg, WV Posts: 734	Re: Differences between commericial and classical trumpet playing techniques The big difference for me is the change I need to make in my head when going from one genre to another. Everything else (technique) is basically the same.

11-04-2009, 02:43 PM	#6
sj3209 New Friend Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 20	Re: Differences between commericial and classical trumpet playing techniques To the OP: What kind of music do you play? How old are you? Do you use specific vowels in your playing? What are your goals? Richard III

11-08-2009, 04:10 PM	#8
bagmangood Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bostonish & San Francisco Posts: 946	Re: Differences between commericial and classical trumpet playing techniques For what its worth, all trumpeters strive to have a constant sound concept in all registers, Tah vs. tu vs. tee is just using different images for the same goal __________________ Bb: Courtois 305 "Elite" C: Bach C180-239 (Akwright conversion), Cornet: Conn Wonder (1900) Picc: Selmer Paris, ~1971

11-08-2009, 05:02 PM	#9
Veldkamp Piano User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: the Netherlands Posts: 429	Re: Differences between commericial and classical trumpet playing techniques When I play lead for a while my embouchure is quite different to my classical embouchure. When I play loud & high tutti's with a projecting and sizzling sound (lot's of high overtones) I have a much stiffer embouchure (so it can endure more mpc pressure...) When I play classical, my chops are soft and much more flexible. So the feeling of my embouchure is quite the opposite. I don't do tongue positions, my tongue stays as relaxed and low as posible all the time, also in the extreme register. The tongue has to stay out of the way of my airstream to keep a big open sound. But to make the change I only think about the sound I want to hear, and my embouchure will change by itself after some practicing/playing. __________________ www.erikveldkamp.com http://trumpetkings.blogspot.com Last edited by Veldkamp; 11-08-2009 at 05:12 PM.

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