Flugel into Trombone ???

rikrdo · 06-08-2006, 05:21 AM

Hey EvryBuddy !!

Im looking to see if any of you have some thoughts on how to make a Flugelhorn sound like a trombone.
Not sure if it can be done but I know this is THE place to ask.
Thanks for any and all of your advice.

Brekelefuw · 06-08-2006, 08:16 AM

If you are talking about range, you could get an expensive conversion put onto it like Guido Basso.

If you are talking about tone, listen to the trombonist you want to sound like and practice the little things that he does.

OR

Buy a flugelbone.

rikrdo · 06-08-2006, 12:27 PM

Thanks for that ...

I am looking to find a method that will make my Flugel sound like a trombone in a "live" setting.

Our trio is 2 trpt + tenor sax and we need the BONE sound.

SO.....hopefully that is a little more clear.

gzent · 06-08-2006, 12:48 PM

Get a mouthpiece with a trombone cup and a flugelhorn shank.

wilcox96 · 06-08-2006, 01:43 PM

First thing... make sure you have a deep enough cup on that flugel mpc to perhaps provide a darker tone...(of course, this assumes your flugel has a large enough body/bell to even begin to sound bigger/darker).. regardles if this is possible or not....then....little tricks are.....

Make sure that you are playing in a range most suited for bone... and playing stylistically like a bone would. (if it is a jazz or perhaps pop setting, then slight dips into some notes ... ala a slide... helps to imitate the style / sound of a bone)... doubling lines with the tenor also helps.

Of course, the overall "best" solution is to go out and get yourself a valve bone. If you "need" it that bad...then you are probably better off just doing that! Get one! If you're working (aka getting paid), then the purchase will be justified. Got me?

Good luck!

mike ansberry · 06-08-2006, 06:07 PM

I don't think you can make a flugel do what you are wanting from it. The flugel plays an octave higher than the bone. If you are wanting to cover the trombone part, it won't play in that range. Add to that the fact that the flugel is a conical instrument, while the trombone is cylindrical. Like Wilcox96 said, a valve bone is the best bet. A baritone or euphonium would probably work. I love playing jazz on a euph.

Brekelefuw · 06-08-2006, 09:51 PM

You could also play quietly and with your bell covering the mic for a really mellow tone kinda like Slide Hampton does. Just make sure not to blow to hard.

NickD · 06-09-2006, 02:22 PM

I agree with Wilcox. You can come sorta close if you use a REAL deep V-cup mouthpiece, like a Warburton XD cup.

FWIIW...

Nick

surfhorn · 06-11-2006, 02:47 PM

Buy a valve bone.....if you can find one. With the popularity of Banda music, many older valve bones that used to be inexpensive have been snapped up and taken south of the border. And the Banda cats seem to like modifiying the things from a Bb instrument into a C instrument.

I've been having a blast on my new Kanstul valve bone. I used to have a Getzen back in the 70's when I played in rock/r&b/blues band but haven't played one since.

I started back on my Kanstul about 2 weeks ago and had less than an octave range - and a crappy tone. After practicing daily, the tone is coming along nicely and I have a solid 2 octave range.

And I can put the valve bone down, snap up my trumpet and paste a high C no problemo.

Definitely a nice addition. Plus, the Kanstul valve bone comes with a second, shorter slide which makes it look more like a trumpet. Just another fun thing to make the trombonists boil.........LOL

ptynan · 06-11-2006, 05:15 PM

What about a Sop. Vavle trombone?

A flugel in the shape of a vavle tbn? It would cost you though.

Just a thought.

PT

06-08-2006, 05:21 AM	#1 (permalink)
rikrdo New Friend Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sunny So Cal Posts: 33	Flugel into Trombone ??? Hey EvryBuddy !! Im looking to see if any of you have some thoughts on how to make a Flugelhorn sound like a trombone. Not sure if it can be done but I know this is THE place to ask. Thanks for any and all of your advice. __________________

06-08-2006, 12:27 PM	#3 (permalink)
rikrdo New Friend Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sunny So Cal Posts: 33	Thanks for that ... I am looking to find a method that will make my Flugel sound like a trombone in a "live" setting. Our trio is 2 trpt + tenor sax and we need the BONE sound. SO.....hopefully that is a little more clear. __________________

06-08-2006, 12:48 PM	#4 (permalink)
gzent Forte User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rochester, MN Posts: 1,515	Get a mouthpiece with a trombone cup and a flugelhorn shank. __________________ Harmony and understanding Sympathy and trust abounding No more falsehoods or derisions Golden living dreams of visions Mystic crystal revalation And the mind's true liberation

06-08-2006, 01:43 PM	#5 (permalink)
wilcox96 Piano User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: charlotte nc Posts: 449	First thing... make sure you have a deep enough cup on that flugel mpc to perhaps provide a darker tone...(of course, this assumes your flugel has a large enough body/bell to even begin to sound bigger/darker).. regardles if this is possible or not....then....little tricks are..... Make sure that you are playing in a range most suited for bone... and playing stylistically like a bone would. (if it is a jazz or perhaps pop setting, then slight dips into some notes ... ala a slide... helps to imitate the style / sound of a bone)... doubling lines with the tenor also helps. Of course, the overall "best" solution is to go out and get yourself a valve bone. If you "need" it that bad...then you are probably better off just doing that! Get one! If you're working (aka getting paid), then the purchase will be justified. Got me? Good luck! __________________ Brad Wilcox NYTC Endorsing Artist Stage 1 California Light w/Rose Brass Bell Bach Strad Flugelhorn GR Mouthpieces http://www.newyorktrumpetcompany.com...rad-wilcox.htm http://trumpetland.ning.com/profile/BradWilcox

06-08-2006, 06:07 PM	#6 (permalink)
mike ansberry Piano User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Posts: 318	I don't think you can make a flugel do what you are wanting from it. The flugel plays an octave higher than the bone. If you are wanting to cover the trombone part, it won't play in that range. Add to that the fact that the flugel is a conical instrument, while the trombone is cylindrical. Like Wilcox96 said, a valve bone is the best bet. A baritone or euphonium would probably work. I love playing jazz on a euph. __________________ "Music is a fire in your belly that has to come out of your mouth, so you'd better put a horn in the way before someone gets hurt" (paraphrase of Bleeding Gums Murphy)

06-08-2006, 08:16 AM	#2 (permalink)
Brekelefuw Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 933	If you are talking about range, you could get an expensive conversion put onto it like Guido Basso. If you are talking about tone, listen to the trombonist you want to sound like and practice the little things that he does. OR Buy a flugelbone.

06-08-2006, 09:51 PM	#7 (permalink)
Brekelefuw Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 933	You could also play quietly and with your bell covering the mic for a really mellow tone kinda like Slide Hampton does. Just make sure not to blow to hard.

06-09-2006, 02:22 PM	#8 (permalink)
NickD Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chicago northern suburbs Posts: 826	DEEP I agree with Wilcox. You can come sorta close if you use a REAL deep V-cup mouthpiece, like a Warburton XD cup. FWIIW... Nick __________________ NickD "Free Online Lessons in Extreme Trumpet Playing" http://www.nickdrozdoff.com http://www.newyorktrumpetcompany.com/ http://www.myspace.com/nickdrozdoff

06-11-2006, 02:47 PM	#9 (permalink)
surfhorn New Friend Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Aptos, California Posts: 14	Buy a valve bone.....if you can find one. With the popularity of Banda music, many older valve bones that used to be inexpensive have been snapped up and taken south of the border. And the Banda cats seem to like modifiying the things from a Bb instrument into a C instrument. I've been having a blast on my new Kanstul valve bone. I used to have a Getzen back in the 70's when I played in rock/r&b/blues band but haven't played one since. I started back on my Kanstul about 2 weeks ago and had less than an octave range - and a crappy tone. After practicing daily, the tone is coming along nicely and I have a solid 2 octave range. And I can put the valve bone down, snap up my trumpet and paste a high C no problemo. Definitely a nice addition. Plus, the Kanstul valve bone comes with a second, shorter slide which makes it look more like a trumpet. Just another fun thing to make the trombonists boil.........LOL __________________ Bach Strad 180S 37 (1970-71) Kanstul WB 1600- silver Marcinkiewicz Shew 1.5 mpc & 11-S Schilke Flugelhorn/ Schikle 13AFL mpc Kanstul CVT 959 Valve Trombone

06-11-2006, 05:15 PM	#10 (permalink)
ptynan Pianissimo User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 232	What about a Sop. Vavle trombone? A flugel in the shape of a vavle tbn? It would cost you though. Just a thought. PT

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