Jo-Ral Harmon for Flugelhorn

hornguy · 02-02-2007, 11:41 AM

I recently purchased one of these mutes and wanted to pass along a little information.

Maybe my expectations were too high. I love my Jo-Ral brass harmon for my trumpet and use it for jazz a lot. When I saw that Jo-Ral was making one for the flugel, I envisioned it being absolutely 'lushious'.

However, having played on it a few times now, I've come to accept that it does not sound significantly different from a trumpet with a harmon.

The 'harmon' portion of the sound covers the openness of the flugel. It makes the flugel sound like a trumpet with a harmon.

Just thought I'd pass that along before others rush out to drop money on it.

(Other opinions are welcome, your milage may vary.)

trumpetnick · 02-02-2007, 12:18 PM

I don't see any interest in using a flugel with a mute: though the straight mute on a flugel may sound a bit different than a muted trumpet the only application I see is on tutti muted passages for chamber ensembles, brass and wind bands. I mean when the whole section have to play muted. In soloistic situation it just seems pointless...at least to me.

westview1900 · 02-02-2007, 05:17 PM

I tried a Jo-Ral Harmon for Flugelhorn as well and I did not like the tone as much as the sound without it.

Clarence · 02-02-2007, 06:59 PM

I think a mute on a flugle is wack idea!
Why take away from the thick butter sound tha a flugle has.

Jimi Michiel · 02-02-2007, 11:25 PM

Maybe a trombone harmon mute might work better?

JunkyT · 03-01-2007, 12:49 PM

I talked extensively one time with Dmitri Matheny, who was a student of Art Farmer's. He told me that Art used a trombone harmon on his flugel to great effect. Dmitri does the same thing on a couple of tunes from his beautiful "Penumbra" CD.

Sounds like a muted flugel to me!

Bay Area Brass · 03-02-2007, 03:39 AM

I've used a trombone harmon on flugel a number of times-I have seen it done before, and I have heard that Miles experimented with it as well. In my expierence, it doesn't sound that great without a mic, but if you close mic it, is sounds good-similar to the tpt but a different color to use-less buzz and broader. Whatever works I guess :)

Smithi20 · 04-30-2008, 10:04 PM

Nice to do a low key gig and bring flugel and "muted trumpet" through just one horn.... the older i get, the less i want to carry!

JustinSmith · 05-02-2008, 11:15 PM

A Jo-Ral trombone bubble will fit in most flugelhorns. I guess if you were a flugelhorn player, exclusively it would be a solution.

02-02-2007, 11:41 AM	#1 (permalink)
hornguy New Friend Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 41	Jo-Ral Harmon for Flugelhorn I recently purchased one of these mutes and wanted to pass along a little information. Maybe my expectations were too high. I love my Jo-Ral brass harmon for my trumpet and use it for jazz a lot. When I saw that Jo-Ral was making one for the flugel, I envisioned it being absolutely 'lushious'. However, having played on it a few times now, I've come to accept that it does not sound significantly different from a trumpet with a harmon. The 'harmon' portion of the sound covers the openness of the flugel. It makes the flugel sound like a trumpet with a harmon. Just thought I'd pass that along before others rush out to drop money on it. (Other opinions are welcome, your milage may vary.)
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02-02-2007, 12:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
trumpetnick Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Vidin, Bulgaria Brand: Spada Posts: 811	Re: Jo-Ral Harmon for Flugelhorn I don't see any interest in using a flugel with a mute: though the straight mute on a flugel may sound a bit different than a muted trumpet the only application I see is on tutti muted passages for chamber ensembles, brass and wind bands. I mean when the whole section have to play muted. In soloistic situation it just seems pointless...at least to me.
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westview1900 Pianissimo User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 128	Re: Jo-Ral Harmon for Flugelhorn I tried a Jo-Ral Harmon for Flugelhorn as well and I did not like the tone as much as the sound without it.

02-02-2007, 06:59 PM	#4 (permalink)
Clarence Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: san diego Posts: 734	Re: Jo-Ral Harmon for Flugelhorn I think a mute on a flugle is wack idea! Why take away from the thick butter sound tha a flugle has.
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03-01-2007, 12:49 PM	#6 (permalink)
JunkyT Pianissimo User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 71	Re: Jo-Ral Harmon for Flugelhorn I talked extensively one time with Dmitri Matheny, who was a student of Art Farmer's. He told me that Art used a trombone harmon on his flugel to great effect. Dmitri does the same thing on a couple of tunes from his beautiful "Penumbra" CD. Sounds like a muted flugel to me!
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Bay Area Brass Pianissimo User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: San Francisco Brand: Martin Posts: 52	Re: Jo-Ral Harmon for Flugelhorn I've used a trombone harmon on flugel a number of times-I have seen it done before, and I have heard that Miles experimented with it as well. In my expierence, it doesn't sound that great without a mic, but if you close mic it, is sounds good-similar to the tpt but a different color to use-less buzz and broader. Whatever works I guess :)

04-30-2008, 10:04 PM	#8 (permalink)
Smithi20 Pianissimo User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: London Brand: Besson (for now....) Posts: 91	Re: Jo-Ral Harmon for Flugelhorn Nice to do a low key gig and bring flugel and "muted trumpet" through just one horn.... the older i get, the less i want to carry!
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JustinSmith Pianissimo User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: NYC, in Europe for summer Posts: 249	Re: Jo-Ral Harmon for Flugelhorn A Jo-Ral trombone bubble will fit in most flugelhorns. I guess if you were a flugelhorn player, exclusively it would be a solution.
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