Keeping track of the form

Jimi Michiel · 11-30-2006, 01:21 PM

Hey all,

I'm trying to learn to improvise and have been spending a lot of time with Aebdersold's Maiden Voyage. The problem I run into is that I often lose track of the form. I think part of the problem is that for most of the tunes you can play a single scale over the whole thing. I'm trying to stay away from that by listening and trying to play off each chord, but I do better following the chord progressions with my ears than my eyes. Am I nuts? Should I stick to my orchestra excerpts?

-Jimi

kadleck · 11-30-2006, 01:49 PM

NO ... don't just stick to your excerpts! I would encourage everyone to learn to improvise. Any harmonic knowledge gained will only help you in an orchestra setting.

I would start out just playing the roots of the chords (whole notes) - just to get the form in your ears. Then try root & third (1/2 note each). Then root, third, fifth (quarter, quarter, half). Finally: root, third, fifth & seventh (4 quarters). I've found this to be a pretty good way to get players to "follow the form".

Tony

foyen · 12-01-2006, 03:26 AM

Hi Jimmy,
I live in Anoka and am a jazz trumpeter also.
Larry (612) 817-6375

trpt2345 · 12-02-2006, 01:00 AM

Tony's advice is right on the mark. If you can play quarter notes on the chord tones of any tune you'll have the form in your head pretty quick. Even better than a play along (which I don't really like because they never listen, change, or interact) just take out your metronome (remember, if you don't use your metronome you have no advantage over someone who doesn't have one) set it on 2 and four, and just play quarter notes on chord tones. Root, third, fifth, seventh, or seventh, fifth, third, root, or mix it up. Once you're comfortable with that, try playing eighth notes on the chord tones. If you can do that, you know the tune. Then just stick in some of the non-harmonic tones (passing tones, neighbor tones both diatonic and chromatic, suspensions, anticipations, etc.) and voila, you're soloing and hitting the changes. Girls will be impressed. Your life will improve.

Michael McLaughlin

Each has his past shut in him like the leaves of a book known to him by his heart, and his friends can only read the title.
Virginia Woolf

11-30-2006, 01:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
Jimi Michiel Forte User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Syracuse/Fort Worth Brand: Monette Posts: 1,671	Keeping track of the form Hey all, I'm trying to learn to improvise and have been spending a lot of time with Aebdersold's Maiden Voyage. The problem I run into is that I often lose track of the form. I think part of the problem is that for most of the tunes you can play a single scale over the whole thing. I'm trying to stay away from that by listening and trying to play off each chord, but I do better following the chord progressions with my ears than my eyes. Am I nuts? Should I stick to my orchestra excerpts? -Jimi
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12-01-2006, 03:26 AM	#3 (permalink)
foyen New Friend Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 6	Hi Jimmy, I live in Anoka and am a jazz trumpeter also. Larry (612) 817-6375
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12-02-2006, 01:00 AM	#4 (permalink)
trpt2345 Mezzo Forte User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 747	Tony's advice is right on the mark. If you can play quarter notes on the chord tones of any tune you'll have the form in your head pretty quick. Even better than a play along (which I don't really like because they never listen, change, or interact) just take out your metronome (remember, if you don't use your metronome you have no advantage over someone who doesn't have one) set it on 2 and four, and just play quarter notes on chord tones. Root, third, fifth, seventh, or seventh, fifth, third, root, or mix it up. Once you're comfortable with that, try playing eighth notes on the chord tones. If you can do that, you know the tune. Then just stick in some of the non-harmonic tones (passing tones, neighbor tones both diatonic and chromatic, suspensions, anticipations, etc.) and voila, you're soloing and hitting the changes. Girls will be impressed. Your life will improve. Michael McLaughlin Each has his past shut in him like the leaves of a book known to him by his heart, and his friends can only read the title. Virginia Woolf
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11-30-2006, 01:49 PM	#2 (permalink)
kadleck Artist in Residence Piano User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: new york Posts: 469	NO ... don't just stick to your excerpts! I would encourage everyone to learn to improvise. Any harmonic knowledge gained will only help you in an orchestra setting. I would start out just playing the roots of the chords (whole notes) - just to get the form in your ears. Then try root & third (1/2 note each). Then root, third, fifth (quarter, quarter, half). Finally: root, third, fifth & seventh (4 quarters). I've found this to be a pretty good way to get players to "follow the form". Tony

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