nazi jazz?

davidjohnson · 08-13-2005, 04:41 AM

i was searching out some old trpt pix & came across a list of nazi no-no's regarding jazz (they wouldn't even permit the use of that term).
here are some of their thoughts from 1937...
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6. Instruments Banned: Use of very primitive instruments such as the ... "washboard." Also the use of rubber mutes (plungers) for wind brass instruments, the imitation of a throaty tone in the use of mutes which, whether accompanied by any special movement of the hand or not, effect an imitation of a nasal sound. In jazz terminology, use of "plungers" and "Wah Wah" dampers.
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where's that plunger? i feel a tune coming on. here herr hitler, this is for you & your contemporary neo counterparts

dj

dwhass · 08-20-2005, 11:41 AM

Yah, das Jazz was dangerous to the Reich's racial supremacy policies. Wah-wah's and plungers were not the usual ornaments that herr Wagner used so they are bad. Adolph seemed to prefer German only music (what a surprise) as it fit his vision of ceremony and flair for the dramatics.

The old newsreels would have been a whole lot different if they showed the famous Nuremberg gathering with Armstrong's West End Blues being played....might have loosened up that goose-step. As it turned out the use of the heavy music should have been a warning to the rest of the world as to how Adolph thought and his mechanisms to influence.

Any more historical insights from the materials you found?

davidjohnson · 08-21-2005, 03:38 PM

that german band marching through the arch of triumph in paris had a percussion section with pizazz. if you ever get to see the whole film clip, you'll notice the front rank of snare drums give the instruments a razzle-dazzle spin. they must have been braced mid-body on a belt pivot.
looks odd from those guys. i wonder if they were shot later for having fun?

dj

surfhorn · 09-11-2005, 12:11 AM

Check out the movie "Swing Kids"......Nazi Germany in the 1930's......kids wanted to dance to jazz swing but had to hide to do it.

davidjohnson · 09-11-2005, 06:53 AM

surfhorn:

i've seen some of that flick, but not all of it.
hey, have you seen the 'classic'...surf nazis must die??

dj

Rick Chartrand · 09-26-2005, 04:04 AM

Who cares about the Nazi's? They were trash 70 years ago, and that general concept still remains today. Heres to you Hitler

Rick AKA Trumpet Man

davidjohnson · 09-26-2005, 05:37 AM

rick:

noboby cares about 'em...just having fun at their expense!!

dj

08-13-2005, 04:41 AM	#1 (permalink)
davidjohnson Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: arkansas Posts: 377	nazi jazz? i was searching out some old trpt pix & came across a list of nazi no-no's regarding jazz (they wouldn't even permit the use of that term). here are some of their thoughts from 1937... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6. Instruments Banned: Use of very primitive instruments such as the ... "washboard." Also the use of rubber mutes (plungers) for wind brass instruments, the imitation of a throaty tone in the use of mutes which, whether accompanied by any special movement of the hand or not, effect an imitation of a nasal sound. In jazz terminology, use of "plungers" and "Wah Wah" dampers. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- where's that plunger? i feel a tune coming on. here herr hitler, this is for you & your contemporary neo counterparts dj

08-20-2005, 11:41 AM	#2 (permalink)
dwhass New Friend Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 17	Yah, das Jazz was dangerous to the Reich's racial supremacy policies. Wah-wah's and plungers were not the usual ornaments that herr Wagner used so they are bad. Adolph seemed to prefer German only music (what a surprise) as it fit his vision of ceremony and flair for the dramatics. The old newsreels would have been a whole lot different if they showed the famous Nuremberg gathering with Armstrong's West End Blues being played....might have loosened up that goose-step. As it turned out the use of the heavy music should have been a warning to the rest of the world as to how Adolph thought and his mechanisms to influence. Any more historical insights from the materials you found?
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surfhorn New Friend Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Aptos, California Posts: 14	Check out the movie "Swing Kids"......Nazi Germany in the 1930's......kids wanted to dance to jazz swing but had to hide to do it.
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08-21-2005, 03:38 PM	#3 (permalink)
davidjohnson Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: arkansas Posts: 377	that german band marching through the arch of triumph in paris had a percussion section with pizazz. if you ever get to see the whole film clip, you'll notice the front rank of snare drums give the instruments a razzle-dazzle spin. they must have been braced mid-body on a belt pivot. looks odd from those guys. i wonder if they were shot later for having fun? dj

09-11-2005, 06:53 AM	#5 (permalink)
davidjohnson Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: arkansas Posts: 377	surfhorn: i've seen some of that flick, but not all of it. hey, have you seen the 'classic'...surf nazis must die?? dj

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Rick Chartrand Piano User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Toronto Canada Posts: 391	Who cares about the Nazi's? They were trash 70 years ago, and that general concept still remains today. Heres to you Hitler Rick AKA Trumpet Man

09-26-2005, 05:37 AM	#7 (permalink)
davidjohnson Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: arkansas Posts: 377	rick: noboby cares about 'em...just having fun at their expense!! dj

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