Playing Lead

B15M · 09-19-2009, 08:29 AM

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If I did this correctly, this link should bring you to a picture of a lead chart for This Could be The Start Of Something Big.

http://s626.photobucket.com/albums/t...an_Pic0006.jpg

I posted once before that I got talked to by a sax player for messing with what was written. The spot that got me in trouble is in the introduction, the last two notes.

I played the the B long and slid up to the D and made it short.

This started me looking at the whole chart.

Lets take a look at the section starting a bar before 45.
As written, no slurs. Can we add some? Sit and play it. It's very clean sounding but a little square.

Now take a look at this page

http://s626.photobucket.com/albums/t...an_Pic0007.jpg

Play at Bar 125. How does that feel? The whole page is pretty much the same.

Was this chart arranged this way to really swing and sound clean out front or to teach students in high school or collage how to play?

Solar Bell · 09-19-2009, 09:03 AM

See below,

I posted it on screen.

B15M · 09-19-2009, 09:30 AM

http://s626.photobucket.com/albums/t...an_Pic0006.jpg

B15M · 09-19-2009, 09:38 AM

It's working for me now

rettepnoj · 09-19-2009, 09:39 AM

As for the B slide to D, I agree with the sax player! I would have played that as written!
As a lead trumpeter I would have played 45 as it's written too, scince it's unison soli.

My oppinion though..

Cool thread B15M

Solar Bell · 09-19-2009, 09:57 AM

Solar Bell · 09-19-2009, 10:00 AM

I think I would play it as written, the problem is that it IS a square chart. Just straight ahead.

Maybe a few turns here and there, but there isn't much to do i this chart.

Schwab · 09-19-2009, 10:35 AM

I'd play it as written also. There are so many markings in the part, it is obvious what the arranger wants. He didn't leave it open to much interpretation, which is fine. If everyone plays what is written, it will sound light, clean and swinging out front.

Rich Wetzel · 09-19-2009, 11:57 AM

If you play it the way it's indicated, with good dynamics too, that chart swings real nice bro. It's cool that you had some ideas as a lead player but certain sylistic things are fairly standard and in this case what the arranger wanted is clearly marked and it really swings nice and pops nice if you do it the way he marked it.

It's a great chart, play it the way he marked it.

BergeronWannabe · 09-19-2009, 07:05 PM

Maybe I'm missing something...why exactly would you want to slide there?
Are you having trouble tonguing the D? I would say it's clearly marked marcato
and would sound pretty hip that way.
My 2 cents,
-Andrew

09-19-2009, 08:29 AM	#1
B15M Forte User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Monroe Ct. Posts: 1,733	Playing Lead -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If I did this correctly, this link should bring you to a picture of a lead chart for This Could be The Start Of Something Big. http://s626.photobucket.com/albums/t...an_Pic0006.jpg I posted once before that I got talked to by a sax player for messing with what was written. The spot that got me in trouble is in the introduction, the last two notes. I played the the B long and slid up to the D and made it short. This started me looking at the whole chart. Lets take a look at the section starting a bar before 45. As written, no slurs. Can we add some? Sit and play it. It's very clean sounding but a little square. Now take a look at this page http://s626.photobucket.com/albums/t...an_Pic0007.jpg Play at Bar 125. How does that feel? The whole page is pretty much the same. Was this chart arranged this way to really swing and sound clean out front or to teach students in high school or collage how to play? __________________ "Taking plain notes on the page and bringing them to life is an art" - Tony Kadleck http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndid=238487314 http://webpages.charter.net/joespitzer/ http://www.trumpetwedding.com/ Last edited by B15M; 09-19-2009 at 09:36 AM.

09-19-2009, 09:03 AM	#2
Solar Bell Moderator Utimate User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 5,526	Re: Playing Lead See below, I posted it on screen. __________________ Chuck Willard *The Willard of Oz* "Don't be afraid to see what you see." Ronald Reagan The average response time of a 911 call is over 4 minutes. The average speed of my 9mm is 1250 fps *When seconds count....the police are only minutes away.* Last edited by Solar Bell; 09-19-2009 at 10:37 AM.

09-19-2009, 09:30 AM	#3
B15M Forte User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Monroe Ct. Posts: 1,733	Re: Playing Lead http://s626.photobucket.com/albums/t...an_Pic0006.jpg __________________ "Taking plain notes on the page and bringing them to life is an art" - Tony Kadleck http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndid=238487314 http://webpages.charter.net/joespitzer/ http://www.trumpetwedding.com/ Last edited by B15M; 09-19-2009 at 09:34 AM.

09-19-2009, 09:38 AM	#4
B15M Forte User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Monroe Ct. Posts: 1,733	Re: Playing Lead It's working for me now __________________ "Taking plain notes on the page and bringing them to life is an art" - Tony Kadleck http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndid=238487314 http://webpages.charter.net/joespitzer/ http://www.trumpetwedding.com/

09-19-2009, 09:39 AM	#5
rettepnoj Piano User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Norway Posts: 473	Re: Playing Lead As for the B slide to D, I agree with the sax player! I would have played that as written! As a lead trumpeter I would have played 45 as it's written too, scince it's unison soli. My oppinion though.. Cool thread B15M __________________ Jon Petter Lindberg Selmer Concept TT Bach Strad. 197 NY, nr 203 Schilke S32 Yamaha YTR 6310Z Yamaha YTR 01 Conn Constelation GR and Schilke mouthpieces Last edited by rettepnoj; 09-19-2009 at 09:52 AM.

09-19-2009, 09:57 AM	#6
Solar Bell Moderator Utimate User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 5,526	Re: Playing Lead __________________ Chuck Willard *The Willard of Oz* "Don't be afraid to see what you see." Ronald Reagan The average response time of a 911 call is over 4 minutes. The average speed of my 9mm is 1250 fps *When seconds count....the police are only minutes away.*

09-19-2009, 10:00 AM	#7
Solar Bell Moderator Utimate User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 5,526	Re: Playing Lead I think I would play it as written, the problem is that it IS a square chart. Just straight ahead. Maybe a few turns here and there, but there isn't much to do i this chart. __________________ Chuck Willard *The Willard of Oz* "Don't be afraid to see what you see." Ronald Reagan The average response time of a 911 call is over 4 minutes. The average speed of my 9mm is 1250 fps *When seconds count....the police are only minutes away.*

09-19-2009, 10:35 AM	#8
Schwab Moderator Forte User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 1,691	Re: Playing Lead I'd play it as written also. There are so many markings in the part, it is obvious what the arranger wants. He didn't leave it open to much interpretation, which is fine. If everyone plays what is written, it will sound light, clean and swinging out front. __________________ Dylan Schwab Stage 1 New York

09-19-2009, 11:57 AM	#9
Rich Wetzel Pianissimo User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 101	Re: Playing Lead If you play it the way it's indicated, with good dynamics too, that chart swings real nice bro. It's cool that you had some ideas as a lead player but certain sylistic things are fairly standard and in this case what the arranger wanted is clearly marked and it really swings nice and pops nice if you do it the way he marked it. It's a great chart, play it the way he marked it. __________________ Rich Wetzel Bach Trumpet Artist and Clinician "Rich Wetzel's Groovin Higher Jazz Orchestra" www.richwetzel.com and www.myspace.com/groovinhigher

09-19-2009, 07:05 PM	#10
BergeronWannabe Piano User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 415	Re: Playing Lead Maybe I'm missing something...why exactly would you want to slide there? Are you having trouble tonguing the D? I would say it's clearly marked marcato and would sound pretty hip that way. My 2 cents, -Andrew

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