Good Methods of removing Mouthpieces that have been hammered in?

RAK · 11-03-2009, 03:12 AM

I got a trumpet not long ago(bought it for a good price) and the mp must have been hammered in. One of the braces needs re soldering because the guy said he tried to get the mouthpiece out with pliers(of course he didn't know what he was doing) He ruined the Mp and broke one of the braces(Probably the pliers too

) The thing is hanging on one brace. I sure hope It wont brake anytime soon because I need to learn how to solder.

So I need some good methods of removing the Mp. My method i am thinking of is
1. Boil some water
2. Spill boiling water on the part where Mp enters. This should Make the Mp receiver get softer and the Molecules should expand
3. Get some heavy duty pliers or whatever and slowly turn Mp. I really don't care about the Mp. Its all beat up. Just a 7c.

So anyone have any better ideas of removing the Mouthpiece?

I appreciate those who will help me out.

Best Regards

Bagnewauckland · 11-03-2009, 03:23 AM

Take it to the repair shop and have it removed, or buy a mouthpiece remover. The hot water should make the receiver expand, but It will probably also make the mouthpiece expand, but you could give it a go.

RAK · 11-03-2009, 03:28 AM

[quote=Bagnewauckland;462803]Take it to the repair shop and have it removed, or buy a mouthpiece remover. The hot water should make the receiver expand, but It will probably also make the mouthpiece expand, but you could give it a go.[/quote

If my method doesn't work and no one gives any suggestions then its going in.
Lets hope for the best.

Bagnewauckland · 11-03-2009, 03:29 AM

Well best of luck!

Cornet1 · 11-03-2009, 04:33 AM

All that will happen when you twist the mpc with the pliers is that the leadpipe will twist and buckle.....

......Think for a moment;....the leadpipe is both soft and thin,..the mpc much more solid/thicker. Actually, a repairer will probably resolder the stay first as it gives him better facility to remove the mpc by use of soft mallet or puller.

The boiling water method is a good one as it frequently helps, however, it cannot actually "soften" anything. It works by very slight differential expansion of the parts thus loosening their bond.

A busy repairer may simply unsolder the receiver and toss it with the stuck mpc into the bin and then solder on a new receiver. This is a VERY common damage that is frequently seen by all repairers.

Something that will not damage the instrument further and will help is to take out the tuning slide and trickle some WD40 down the leadpipe from the slide end so that it collects around th eend of the stuck mpc and hopefully penetrates the bond,...then after it's had time to work, try the hot water...

Markie · 11-03-2009, 06:54 AM

take it to a repair shop. They have a device especially designed for this situation.

Brekelefuw · 11-03-2009, 08:14 AM

Product: Bobcat Mouthpiece Puller this is what I use. It has never failed me. No hammers, or heat needed, and you don't need to repair the solder first.

Solar Bell · 11-03-2009, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brekelefuw

Product: Bobcat Mouthpiece Puller this is what I use. It has never failed me. No hammers, or heat needed, and you don't need to repair the solder first.

+1

That is the ONLY way to do it...and what the repair tech will use.

dlewis · 11-03-2009, 11:44 AM

A bobcat only cost about 30 dollars

The Dutch Guy · 11-03-2009, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brekelefuw

Product: Bobcat Mouthpiece Puller this is what I use. It has never failed me. No hammers, or heat needed, and you don't need to repair the solder first.

I've got one of those too. Don't think it's the same brand, but it does exacly the same.
I've tried the hot/cold water thing, and it didn't work for me. The remover worked every time till now.

11-03-2009, 03:12 AM	#1
RAK Piano User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kettle Falls, Washington Posts: 306	Good Methods of removing Mouthpieces that have been hammered in? I got a trumpet not long ago(bought it for a good price) and the mp must have been hammered in. One of the braces needs re soldering because the guy said he tried to get the mouthpiece out with pliers(of course he didn't know what he was doing) He ruined the Mp and broke one of the braces(Probably the pliers too ) The thing is hanging on one brace. I sure hope It wont brake anytime soon because I need to learn how to solder. So I need some good methods of removing the Mp. My method i am thinking of is 1. Boil some water 2. Spill boiling water on the part where Mp enters. This should Make the Mp receiver get softer and the Molecules should expand 3. Get some heavy duty pliers or whatever and slowly turn Mp. I really don't care about the Mp. Its all beat up. Just a 7c. So anyone have any better ideas of removing the Mouthpiece? I appreciate those who will help me out. Best Regards __________________ -RAK- Praise him with the sound of the trumpet - Psalms 150 “Give, and it shall be given to you. For whatever measure you deal out to others, it will be dealt to you in return.” Luke 6:38 1962 Holton C602 B♭ cornet Selman B♭ trumpet Yamaha B ♭ trumpet

11-03-2009, 03:23 AM	#2
Bagnewauckland Pianissimo User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Howick, New Zealand Posts: 89	Re: Good Methods of removing Mouthpieces that have been hammered in? Take it to the repair shop and have it removed, or buy a mouthpiece remover. The hot water should make the receiver expand, but It will probably also make the mouthpiece expand, but you could give it a go. __________________ As much as I wish it was, the horn in the avatar isn't mine Yamaha YTR6335 Yamaha 14B4 Marc. Bobby Shew #1 JetTone LMCX Gold Plated Bach 3C Protec Small Mouthpiece pouch (3 slots) Chinese "7C" Tiny Brass piece from my $15 Bugle Denis Wick Cup Mute Stone Lined Wa-wa Du-all Denis Wick Straight Mute Dorsy Tommy Shastock Wooden Straight Mute Yamaha Wooden Shell Hard Case

11-03-2009, 03:28 AM	#3
RAK Piano User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kettle Falls, Washington Posts: 306	Re: Good Methods of removing Mouthpieces that have been hammered in? [quote=Bagnewauckland;462803]Take it to the repair shop and have it removed, or buy a mouthpiece remover. The hot water should make the receiver expand, but It will probably also make the mouthpiece expand, but you could give it a go.[/quote If my method doesn't work and no one gives any suggestions then its going in. Lets hope for the best. __________________ -RAK- Praise him with the sound of the trumpet - Psalms 150 “Give, and it shall be given to you. For whatever measure you deal out to others, it will be dealt to you in return.” Luke 6:38 1962 Holton C602 B♭ cornet Selman B♭ trumpet Yamaha B ♭ trumpet

11-03-2009, 03:29 AM	#4
Bagnewauckland Pianissimo User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Howick, New Zealand Posts: 89	Re: Good Methods of removing Mouthpieces that have been hammered in? Well best of luck! __________________ As much as I wish it was, the horn in the avatar isn't mine Yamaha YTR6335 Yamaha 14B4 Marc. Bobby Shew #1 JetTone LMCX Gold Plated Bach 3C Protec Small Mouthpiece pouch (3 slots) Chinese "7C" Tiny Brass piece from my $15 Bugle Denis Wick Cup Mute Stone Lined Wa-wa Du-all Denis Wick Straight Mute Dorsy Tommy Shastock Wooden Straight Mute Yamaha Wooden Shell Hard Case

11-03-2009, 04:33 AM	#5
Cornet1 Pianissimo User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Essex, England Posts: 210	Re: Good Methods of removing Mouthpieces that have been hammered in? All that will happen when you twist the mpc with the pliers is that the leadpipe will twist and buckle..... ......Think for a moment;....the leadpipe is both soft and thin,..the mpc much more solid/thicker. Actually, a repairer will probably resolder the stay first as it gives him better facility to remove the mpc by use of soft mallet or puller. The boiling water method is a good one as it frequently helps, however, it cannot actually "soften" anything. It works by very slight differential expansion of the parts thus loosening their bond. A busy repairer may simply unsolder the receiver and toss it with the stuck mpc into the bin and then solder on a new receiver. This is a VERY common damage that is frequently seen by all repairers. Something that will not damage the instrument further and will help is to take out the tuning slide and trickle some WD40 down the leadpipe from the slide end so that it collects around th eend of the stuck mpc and hopefully penetrates the bond,...then after it's had time to work, try the hot water... Last edited by Cornet1; 11-03-2009 at 04:40 AM.

11-03-2009, 06:54 AM	#6
Markie Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Clarksburg, WV Posts: 732	Re: Good Methods of removing Mouthpieces that have been hammered in? take it to a repair shop. They have a device especially designed for this situation.

11-03-2009, 08:14 AM	#7
Brekelefuw Forte User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,532	Re: Good Methods of removing Mouthpieces that have been hammered in? Product: Bobcat Mouthpiece Puller this is what I use. It has never failed me. No hammers, or heat needed, and you don't need to repair the solder first. __________________ Schilke B3L Schilke XA1 Bach 37 180 ML Chinese custom horn Yamaha 6310G Wedge 5B, 5A and 5FLG After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music. ~Aldous Huxley

11-03-2009, 11:44 AM	#9
dlewis Pianissimo User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: RANDALLSTOWN MARYLAND Posts: 169	Re: Good Methods of removing Mouthpieces that have been hammered in? A bobcat only cost about 30 dollars

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