midwestchops

got my schilke 17d4 yesterday that i had ordered. as i remembered the #4 rim is great. i like the feel and the tone, the only thing so far from switching from my 3c is that my range has suffered. im sure after practicing with it over some time that it will come back.

screamingmorris

That is a *huge* change, so no wonder your range has been affected.

As confirmed by the Kanstul Comparator at
Kanstul Mouthpiece Comparator
and my own experience,
the 3C you used to play had the cup depth of a Bach 7E.
The Schilke 17d4 is like a Bach 7B, but the Bach has a liitle bit more of a "V" shape while the Schilke has more of a cup shape, giving the Schilke a fuller sound but much harder upper register.

To put it in Schilke terms, you have just moved from a Schilke "A" cup to a Schilke "D" cup.

And the change in rim contour is just as dramatic, from the round rim of the Bach 3C to the wide flat Schilke "A" rim.

So I guess we can expect no double C's from you for the next few weeks, just that annoyingly full, rich sound that some trumpet players prefer

- morris

Richard Oliver

A new mouthpiece is always nice especially if you find you sound good on it.

I like Schilkes too.

midwestchops

well, as far as the dubba C is concerned, im far from that in any respect the change really doesnt feel that huge. the rim diameter feels very close to my bach, but the rim is more comfortable. i had a schilke 14a4a for a while and i loved the rim, but wasnt happy with the shallow cup (i have big lips) and super bright sound. while definately a jump, i agree, i dont believe quite an "a" to "d" i have until mid/end july before auditions for the fall semester, i should have my range back by then. but the sound is great!

Vulgano Brother

Is I read the different charts, your mouthpiece in Bach termswould be about a 1B (yeah, yeah, I know, different backbore, cup design, rim design, etc.) and the changes you're noticing are normal for a move to a larger and deeper mouthpiece. It'll get better, but don't plan on making it your lead piece quite yet!

midwestchops

is this a hidden message? elaboration?

Vulgano Brother

No extra attempt to hide stuff here--I like to think of the bigger, deeper mouthpieces as passive/aggresive, letting us play wicked deadly loud without too much edge. In a big band setting, with saxophones using metal mouthpieces and a whole bunch of trombones, the characteristic lead sound is made much easier by a shallower cup, like your 14A4a.

midwestchops

ahhh...i gotcha. sorry, maybe i was reading into it to much i can very much see your point. i dont know what it was, but that shallow cup was just uncomfortable for me after a short period of time. id rather not have to switch back and forth between mouthpieces, ive heard plenty of horror stories of that, so ill see how this works out for me i guess and go from there. thanks for everyones input. i love this place

MFMeow

I'm also a big fan of the #4 rim (though I've settled on a 13C4 for "everyday" use). Enjoy!

Kirsten

Bourbon City

The larger the Schilke number the larger the mp. The smaller the Bach number the larger the mp. If you do well range wize with the Bach 3C then try the Schilke 14A4a.