Metal Valve Guides

Jarrett · 09-29-2007, 02:16 PM

Ok, I've gone through 3 different nylon (delrin?) valve guides on my Bach 37H in the last year. Each one gets a groove in it that allows the valve to spin freely in the case, eventually to the point that it causes unexpected problems...
Anyway, this is an older horn and has never had this problem before, so I don't know the cause, although I expect it's either my playing habits or something in the casing that's grooving those guides.

Should I buy some metal guides, and if so, where do I get them?

-J

this is only the first valve, all the other valves have been fine. And I know the brassbow had them but their website is messed up.

rowuk · 09-29-2007, 07:02 PM

If the first valve guide is wearing that much faster than the rest, I would get your horn looked at. The delrin guides have the advantage of being light, quiet and keeping the wear on the disposable piece of plastic - NOT the valve.
I don't want to start a voodoo war, but if the delrin has that much of a problem, you will also get wear with a metal guide - the question is what will wear. Get the horn looked at!

Dale Proctor · 09-29-2007, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowuk

....I don't want to start a voodoo war,....

I hear the beat of distant drums.......

lmf · 09-30-2007, 07:09 AM

Hi,

Do metal valve guides make more noise (clatter) when the instrument is being played? If so, I don't think that I would like that.

Best wishes,

Lloyd

rowuk · 10-01-2007, 06:47 PM

In Jarretts' horn they will probably sound like grinding teeth!
If the instrument is properly adjusted, the player may NOTICE something, but the audience won't. Clattering happens mostly when the corks or felts on the valves are worn.

lmf · 10-01-2007, 10:15 PM

Rowuk,

Thanks for the information.

Best wishes,

Lloyd

bigaggietrumpet · 10-01-2007, 10:55 PM

Don't suppose you could post a pic of one of the used up guides, could ya? I'm having a hard time imagining what's going on here.

Jarrett · 10-08-2007, 10:51 AM

Hey I tried my best but I couldn't get a decent picture. I guess I'm kinda in the dark as to how something like this could happen. Unfortunately if I can't fix it myself, it's not going to get fixed for a while beacuse there aren't any repair men for a long ways...
-J

09-29-2007, 02:16 PM	#1 (permalink)
Jarrett Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ft. Leonard Wood MO Posts: 269	Metal Valve Guides Ok, I've gone through 3 different nylon (delrin?) valve guides on my Bach 37H in the last year. Each one gets a groove in it that allows the valve to spin freely in the case, eventually to the point that it causes unexpected problems... Anyway, this is an older horn and has never had this problem before, so I don't know the cause, although I expect it's either my playing habits or something in the casing that's grooving those guides. Should I buy some metal guides, and if so, where do I get them? -J this is only the first valve, all the other valves have been fine. And I know the brassbow had them but their website is messed up. __________________ Bach 37 3C Last edited by Jarrett; 09-29-2007 at 02:18 PM. Reason: Specificity

09-29-2007, 07:02 PM	#2 (permalink)
rowuk Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 4,367	Re: Metal Valve Guides If the first valve guide is wearing that much faster than the rest, I would get your horn looked at. The delrin guides have the advantage of being light, quiet and keeping the wear on the disposable piece of plastic - NOT the valve. I don't want to start a voodoo war, but if the delrin has that much of a problem, you will also get wear with a metal guide - the question is what will wear. Get the horn looked at! __________________ Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

09-30-2007, 07:09 AM	#4 (permalink)
lmf Piano User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Warsaw, Indiana Posts: 301	Re: Metal Valve Guides Hi, Do metal valve guides make more noise (clatter) when the instrument is being played? If so, I don't think that I would like that. Best wishes, Lloyd

10-01-2007, 06:47 PM	#5 (permalink)
rowuk Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 4,367	Re: Metal Valve Guides In Jarretts' horn they will probably sound like grinding teeth! If the instrument is properly adjusted, the player may NOTICE something, but the audience won't. Clattering happens mostly when the corks or felts on the valves are worn. __________________ Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

10-01-2007, 10:15 PM	#6 (permalink)
lmf Piano User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Warsaw, Indiana Posts: 301	Re: Metal Valve Guides Rowuk, Thanks for the information. Best wishes, Lloyd

10-01-2007, 10:55 PM	#7 (permalink)
bigaggietrumpet Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: College Station,TX Posts: 814	Re: Metal Valve Guides Don't suppose you could post a pic of one of the used up guides, could ya? I'm having a hard time imagining what's going on here. __________________ Michael Smith Hullabaloo: The official band of Texas A&M Basketball Kanstul 1537/ Schilke 14 LA Olds Studio

10-08-2007, 10:51 AM	#8 (permalink)
Jarrett Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ft. Leonard Wood MO Posts: 269	Re: Metal Valve Guides Hey I tried my best but I couldn't get a decent picture. I guess I'm kinda in the dark as to how something like this could happen. Unfortunately if I can't fix it myself, it's not going to get fixed for a while beacuse there aren't any repair men for a long ways... -J __________________ Bach 37 3C

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