dizforprez

That is because what you feel is more than the rim, it is the rim in context of the other parts, which are different. I am speaking of rims only.

A quick check shows me that the; B-12 rim and cup same as a Bach 1X rim and cup, the Ap2 and B2 is the same rim as a Bach 1 1/4 , the B3 is the same rim as a Bach 1 1/2 C, the B6 is the same rim as a Bach 3 c, etc........


So, I believe my early statement is correct, a good number of Monette rims are copies of Bach.

bagmangood

The only monette mpc that is directly based off a bach mouthpiece is the B4S, the rest tend to be very different.
The monette pieces tend to be a little smaller than the ones that he lists as being close to on the website. They do play bigger though...

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Sterling

I switched from a Bach 3C to a Monette B6 a few years ago and thought that the rims were very similar in size and feel. The rest of the mouthpiece, throat, cup, and backbore were different.

Sterling

I switched from a Bach 3C to a Monette B6 a few years ago and thought that the rims were very similar in size and feel. The rest of the mouthpiece, throat, cup, and backbore were different.

tptmusicaz

As for the OP...best to drive up to Portland and spend some time trying out different mouthpieces. Only you can decide what is the "best" mouthpiece for you. We can all offer our experiences, but that's us playing what is "best" for us, not you. I've been playing Monette Prana mouthpieces for 5 years. I started out on a B6 (which is very similar to a Bach 3C, however much bigger throat and backbore). Now after 4 years on that, I've moved up to a bigger B2S3 which provides a huge sound.

What is truly different with Monette mouthpieces (in my own experience/opinion), is that they do assist with using less effort to play. That may be due to a more open throat and backbore, I don't know all the physics of it, just what I feel when I'm playing. I spent two hours with Dean Comley (Dave's mouthpiece supervisor/guru) and played nearly 20 different models in the realm of what I described my needs were. Give Dean a call, set up an appointment and go have a blast. They are some of the nicest people and will take time to explain and work with you to find the best match for you.

Yes the mouthpieces are expensive and for what I've spent on just Monette mouthpieces, I could have bought a nice used horn, but if you find the best mp for you, the cost is worth it (IMHO).

Good luck,

James

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RAK

Thanks all for the replies. I will have to try those Monette's out.

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hose

I acquired a Prana and a Monette Standard last spring. I've used the std for several months. I like the big broad sound and the extremely comfortable rim. The B2S3 seems to feel/sound like I'm playing on a larger bell than I am. It seemed to be louder for the same effort than my previous mpc. A decibel meter did not show this, however. I did the tests for intonation that are on the Monette site. There was no difference between my "old" Karl Hammond 3MB and the new Monette std. I did several "blind" tests with friends. Every time they picked my previous mpc over the Monette std for clarity and attacks. Still, I persisted because I like the feel of the Monette rim. Monettes are fine mpcs. I was not disappointed. However, I have recently gone back to my Hammond. It seems to be less effort and still gets a great sound. But I won't be selling my Monettes soon.

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rowuk

That has to be one of the most difficult to back up and stupid statements on Trumpetmaster.

Bach rims are not even copies of Bach rims!

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dizforprez

Difficult to back up? Hardly, if you do even the smallest bit of research you will see that Monette’s site shows that most of his rims are copies of either Bach or Yamaha, Kanstul’s mouthpiece comparer backs up that as well. And it would make sense, given that nearly all of Monette’s early clients were switching from Bach mouthpieces.

If you want to make a statement regarding inconsistence of rims that Bach produces, then by all means do so, no need to be insulting in the process. Instead of calling something stupid why don’t you provide information that would show that my statement is not correct?

Given all the threads I have seen on here, calling my statement the stupidest, is well….stupid.

B15M

Kanstul’s mouthpiece comparer has a lot of room for error.

He scans in a mouthpiece that he gets a hold of. I'm sure that the scan is correct to the mouthpiece but, the number stamped is not necessarily the same on all the motette mouthpieces. I can't seem to say it right.

I bought a Monette B15M. After playing on it I called the shop and had them modify it. The mouthpiece is now a different size but still stamped B15M.

How do we know which one Mr. Kanstul scanned?

The size reference on the Monette sight are for a reference. The sizes aren't a match to Bach.

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