tmckane

I have a 1924 Conn 22b and a 1957 Victor 22B.. I use a Benge 7c and the mouthpiece doesn't seem to go in as far as it does in my olds special.. is this a problem? If so what type of mpc should i get that would fit this receiver?

thanks

Tim

screamingmorris

In 1922 Conn was not yet stamping model numbers on most of its trumpets, so how do you know that it is a 22B?

Have you considered the possibility that the problem might be with your Olds Special, if the mouthpiece goes in equally far in a 1924 Conn and a 1957 Conn?

Conn trumpets had fairly standard mouthpiece receievers.
It was vintage cornets by Conn, Holton, Olds that had strange sizes of mouthpiece receivers.

It is possible that your Olds mouthpiece receiver is severely worn so that the inner diameter of it has effectively been increased.
Does the mouthpieces wobble in any of the trumpets?

If the mouthpiece does not wobble, and the only "problem" is that the mouthpiece goes into the Olds farther, then you would only need to pull the tuning slide out farther on the Olds than on the Conns.

Of course, other people might point out that how far the mouthpiece goes into the receiver effects "gap" which can effect how a trumpet plays.
But you haven't complained about how any of the trumpets play.

For our curiosity, meaure the total length of the mouthpiece and then tell is how much of it is sticking out of each of the 3 trumpets so that we can compare.

Sturmbill

Tim,

In addition to what screamingmorris has said you might want to check out some of the articles on mouthpieces at Christine Derkson's Conn Loyalist site. In particular this article: http://www.xs4all.nl/~cderksen/ConnArticle42.html

I fought for a long time with finding the right mouthpiece to use on my '47 22B. Nothing seemed to fit in the receiver correctly, nor play very well in tune. After talking to Christine I came to the conclusion that many others have before me, and that is the vintage Conns seems to do far better on vintage Conn mouthpieces. I have tried a bunch of them, BI-222, BI-225, Precision Conn 3 & 4 and Connstellation 5-BW and 7-BN. All of them performed better than and of my Bach or Curry mouthpieces ON THAT HORN. I still love my Curry 'pieces for every other horn I play, but that 22B cries out for a Conn mouthpiece! So does my '67 38B, for that matter.

There are many guys out there who can make the modern mouthpieces work very well on these vintage Conns, but I am firmly in the vintage Conn corner on this one!

Good luck!

Bill

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MFMeow

I'm with Bill on this one. I have a '39 12B, a '47 12B, and a '47 22B, and wouldn't use anything but a vintage Conn mouthpiece with any of them. (FWIW, I like the Conn 4 from the same era as the horns). I normally play medium sized Schilkes (11 - 13 range), but those Conns all play (and sound) much better for me with the Conn 4 than with any modern mouthpiece I've tried. Not that I've tried a huge number - mostly various Schilkes and Bachs and a few sundry others - but hey, when what came with the horn works so well, I see no reason to go on safari!

Just my 2 cents.
Kirsten

Dale Proctor

Hi, Catwoman

My experience, also, although my '27 22B seems to play pretty well with a variety of other brands of mouthpieces, too. The other Conn trumpet I own, a '60 6B, is very mouthpiece-specific. Only a Conn will do on it.

BTW, one of the Conn mouthpieces I use on the 6B, a Connstellation 9CW, works very well on my Bach Strad 43 when I play big band music. A little cross pollination.......

The Olds trumpet I used to own had a deeper receiver than my other trumpets - all mouthpieces went in about 1/8" farther on it.

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tmckane

Thanks for all the replies... I currently use a Bach 7C, so I wonder what would be a close equivalent to a vintage Conn mpc..

screamingmorris

The most common Conn mouthpiece is the Conn 4, often seen on eBay, they are no longer made.
It is approximately the same diameter and depth as a Bach 5C, slightly more "V" shaped cup than a Bach 7C so that it gives a slightly mellower tone than a Bach 7C and with slightly easier upper register than a Bach 7C, the Conn 4 has a *very* comfortable rim.
A Conn 4 mouthpiece is often found on ebay for less than $20 which includes shipping:
Conn #4 Trumpet Mouthpiece - eBay (item 120216111729 end time Feb-03-08 18:04:07 PST)

Vintage Conn 4 Cornet Mouthpiece N/R - eBay (item 220196302265 end time Jan-31-08 18:52:53 PST)

There are Conn Connstellation mouthpieces which are slightly closer to Bach 7 size, but they are rather rare.
The Connstellation 7B-W and 7C-W are about same diameter as a Bach 7,
the Connstellation 5 is about the same diameter as a Bach 5.

Many eBay sellers misspell the name "Connstellation" by only putting one "n" in it, as seen in these completed eBay sales:
http://instruments.search-completed....sPageNameZWD8B

See the mouthpiece home page:
The Conn Loyalist

Which has links to:
The Conn Loyalist

and to:
The Conn Loyalist

tmckane

Thanks Morris for the links and tips... That should get me pointed in the right direction..

kuismat

This is an old thread but the original question was not well answered. I have been playing a 1952 Conn 22b with a modern mouthpiece without problems. Couple of weeks ago I won a really nice 1924 Conn 22b on ebay.

Surprise, the mouthpiece didn't go as far in to the receiver of the 1924 model, some 7 mm less. The tuning was quite flat with the slide fully in (and the 4th space e was really flat with open valves, with 12 it was in tune with the rest of the notes).

Fortunately two original mouthpieces came with the horn. They are 10 mm shorter than a modern mouthpiece and they go deeper into the receiver. With these the horn can be easily tuned to 440. Then I measured the lead pipes. The 1924 model has a 10mm longer pipe than the 1952 model.

I didn't want to machine my mouthpiece to get it fit. Instead, I sacrificed a trumpet-cornet adapter, shortened it and machined slightly so that it would go as deep in as possible and have the same penetration depth as the original mouthpiece. Also I machined the inside of the adapter slightly so that a cornet mouthpiece will go deeper in than normal. Now the horn works fine with my B&S 3B cornet mouthpiece with a deep C-cup (which was obsolete since I use a DW 3B for cornet), can be tuned well and even the 4th space e is better.

Is this normal with an old 22b? Have most of those been reamed for a modern mouthpiece diameter/ length since I can't find any report about the different specs?

I have a Boston Vega from the 20's which also has a smaller receiver but different from the Conn. What is the full story about trumpet mouthpiece standards?