maynardthe2nd

Hi, i've been doing mouthpiece testings for LOUD with my private instructor, and havn't been getting what i should out of them. The shallow cup should be increasing my range, should it not? But it's decreasing it. Can anyone give me some advice on how to play on new mouthpieces, and to get the best out of them?

screamingmorris

How do the diameter and rim shape compare with what you were using before?
Even a small increase in diameter can temporarily decrease a person's range.
And some people can never completely adjust to certain sizes.

How do the throat and backbore compare with what you were using before?
An increase in throat size and backbore size can temporarily decrease a person's range because of the lesser resistance.

Plus, some mouthpiece brands and sizes just do not work well with some trumpet brands.
Some people speculate that sometimes it is due to the wrong "gap" in the mouthpiece / trumpet combination.

Also, how close are you to "bottoming out" on the new mouthpiece?
Is the cup more "V" than "U" shaped?

And it takes a while to adjust to any new mouthpiece.
I have noticed that my embouchure on a Bach 7 is somewhat different from my embouchure on a Bach 7E (slightly more jaw thrust and more upward angle with the deeper cup).

Finally, some people just can't play certain mouthpieces very well, as though it is an inherent incompatibility between that mouthpiece and the person's embouchure.

- Morris

stchasking

Sorry to hear you didn't have overnight success.
The LOUD mouthpiece may not work for you.
Go back to fundimentals and keep at it for a few months.
If it still doesn't work for you go back to what you were using and throw the LOUD
mouthpiece into the archive drawer.

nplotts1

One misconception that a lot of people seem to have is the shallow=range. While it can be true for some, it is not a 100% true statement. A shallower mouthpiece brightens the sound, and tends to extend endurance in the upper register but it doesn't mean that you will get more range. If that were the case, you wouldn't see any where close to the amount of 1 1/4 or 1 1/2 C's floating around.

Now, the question I have is why do you want a shallow mouthpiece? Is it to increase range, or are you playing lead for a jazz group? If your only reason for a shallower cup is to get range, you should probably practice more and worry about a mouthpiece less.

maynardthe2nd

I don't want one, i've just been testing them, as i've said. Now i have a Schilke 14a4a, but that's for pepband and i only use it on occasions when i feel like i'm gonna be playing for alot longer than i'm used to.

All i'm wandering is if there's any way to keep my same stability while playing, and get what the mouthpiece is used for out of the mouthpiece

nplotts1

It all comes with practice, if you want to have the same stability, practice on all of your mouthpieces equally. I personally only use one mpc for everything (Wick 3C) but I also don't do any really high, or long, playing where endurance is an issue.

rowuk

If you think hardware will help, you are playing the wrong instrument. Hardware helps range if you are playing pipe organ, not trumpet.

Range is based on how fast your lips vibrate and that is based on the physical condition of the lip tissue, the face muscles, the quality of your breathing and coordination of all of the above. NO mouthpiece change will increase range - period. A change may make your sound more suitable for a particular type of music and free up energy for other things though.

When you change mouthpieces (or horns, or girl-/boyfriends), you often change the entire geometry of your embouchure. That guarantees a drop in range. The only success stories for range are with players that EARN IT by practicing intelligently and harder.

I wonder how many trumpet players have been suckered into buying a mouthpiece because of the marketing lies about range? I know quite a few......... I hope that mouthpiece belongs to your teacher.............

maynardthe2nd

i'll say it again rowuk, i'm not interested in buying cheaters, i'm just doing testings, i have enough range. And i'm stilll learning, i've been playing for about 18 months, so i don't know the ends and outs of every single detail of trumpet playing. But i have in my possession a strong double C, on a 3C, that has been obtained through hard work, i don't need a cheater, i was just testing them and was wandering why i wasn't playing as well one mouthpiece as i am on another. DO NOT give me any more lectures on the ends and outs of mouthpiece specifics, i had a simple question, and it has not yet been answered. And once again, I DO NOT need a cheater mouthpiece to get better, do not confuse that again.l

screamingmorris

So do I.

Maynard Ferguson
Bill Chase
Cat Anderson
Linn Biviano
Bobby Shew
Dave Stahl

Those players used shallow mouthpieces because they believed that the shallow mouthpieces helped with their upper register.

rowuk wrote:
“If I only play one mouthpiece, a more shallow mouthpiece COULD help in the high register, a large mouthpiece could help get a bigger sound. These are generalities that no professional would argue with.”
http://www.trumpetmaster.com/vb/134/...u-35467-4.html (How effective is a shallow cup in giving you a higher register?)

- Morris

hagertheherald

Gentlemen, civility, please. Agree with basics Rowuk only helpfully points out. Not familiar with LOUD mouthpieces. Would like to hear a reply to ScreamingMorris's questions, Maynard2, as to how diameter of rim and other dimensions compare to what you used previously for a more thoughtful reply to your original concern. Would then like to hear that reply from ScreamingMorris since he posed the thoughtful questions to you and deserves only a courteous reply.--HH