question about Cornet&Flugel mouthpiece

crowmadic · 04-17-2007, 04:12 PM

I'm putting this question in two places hoping for a quick response. I'm using an old Rudy Muck 17C mouthpiece on my trumpet. I recently acquired a Conn Director Cornet without a mouthpiece. Should I get a Cornet mouthpiece comparable to my 17C or not? Same question for my Flugelhorn. If the cup is different than 17C will it effect my embochure negatively when I play the trumpet?

Dale Proctor · 04-17-2007, 04:42 PM

That's a pretty small mouthpiece - I don't know if you'll get the cornet and flugel "sounds" you're after with something that small. I play trumpet, cornet, and flugel on significantly different mouthpieces, and I would suggest using a substantially deeper cup at least. A cup diameter equal to the one you're playing would help maintain a decent high register, while the extra depth would fit the characteristics of a cornet and flugel a little better. Of course, mouthpiece recommendations over the net are usually worth what you pay for them, this one included!

Vulgano Brother · 04-17-2007, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale Proctor

Of course, mouthpiece recommendations over the net are usually worth what you pay for them, this one included!

I'll have to disagree with that comment -- Dale gave some excellent advice!

crowmadic · 04-17-2007, 10:37 PM

Vulgano Brother, I'm not aware of "Dale's advice," please clairify.

Dale Proctor · 04-17-2007, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crowmadic

Vulgano Brother, I'm not aware of "Dale's advice," please clairify.

Try both a cornet and flugel mouthpiece with the same cup diameter and similar rim shape as your trumpet piece, but with a deeper cup (much deeper).

crowmadic · 04-18-2007, 03:17 PM

Got it guys..........thanks. I guess there's not a lot of concern about "screwing-up" the embochure with that slight, but significant to horn characterist, variation in cup depth. Did I get it right?

Tootsall · 04-18-2007, 03:32 PM

FWIWCFM I use a GR 66 on trumpet but a Sparx 4 which is equivalent to a GR 65 on cornet. The "very" slightly smaller diameter makes up for the loss of support from the much deeper cup. Haven't mucked about with the flugel mouthpiece yet; waiting until I can buy an Eclipse flugel before going down that road.

The different diameters actually feel very similar (at least I can't tell the difference).

Note to self: spend more time on cornet; it's fun.

Dale Proctor · 04-18-2007, 03:51 PM

I guess playing with different mouthpieces may screw some people up, but I don't really have a problem with it. I may take a few minutes to acclimate to another mouthpiece I'm familiar with, but that's about it.

crowmadic · 04-18-2007, 07:18 PM

I'm taking a raggady mouthpiece and cutting, reaming, and smoothing it in my home workshop. I may get something without loosing anything. Have any of you guys ever tried playing Dr. Frankenstein with a mouthpiece?

Vulgano Brother · 04-18-2007, 07:48 PM

YES! IT'S FUN!

04-17-2007, 04:12 PM	#1 (permalink)
crowmadic Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 524	question about Cornet&Flugel mouthpiece I'm putting this question in two places hoping for a quick response. I'm using an old Rudy Muck 17C mouthpiece on my trumpet. I recently acquired a Conn Director Cornet without a mouthpiece. Should I get a Cornet mouthpiece comparable to my 17C or not? Same question for my Flugelhorn. If the cup is different than 17C will it effect my embochure negatively when I play the trumpet?

04-17-2007, 04:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
Dale Proctor Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Heart of Dixie Brand: Bach, vintage Conn Posts: 636	Re: question about Cornet&Flugel mouthpiece That's a pretty small mouthpiece - I don't know if you'll get the cornet and flugel "sounds" you're after with something that small. I play trumpet, cornet, and flugel on significantly different mouthpieces, and I would suggest using a substantially deeper cup at least. A cup diameter equal to the one you're playing would help maintain a decent high register, while the extra depth would fit the characteristics of a cornet and flugel a little better. Of course, mouthpiece recommendations over the net are usually worth what you pay for them, this one included!
	__________________ "Brass bands are all very well in their place - outdoors and several miles away." - Sir Thomas Beecham Olde Towne Brass www.otbrass.com Brass Band of Huntsville www.brassbandofhuntsville.org

04-17-2007, 10:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
crowmadic Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 524	Re: question about Cornet&Flugel mouthpiece Vulgano Brother, I'm not aware of "Dale's advice," please clairify.

04-18-2007, 03:17 PM	#6 (permalink)
crowmadic Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 524	Re: question about Cornet&Flugel mouthpiece Got it guys..........thanks. I guess there's not a lot of concern about "screwing-up" the embochure with that slight, but significant to horn characterist, variation in cup depth. Did I get it right?

04-18-2007, 03:32 PM	#7 (permalink)
Tootsall Fortissimo User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Yee HAW! Posts: 4,641	Re: question about Cornet&Flugel mouthpiece FWIWCFM I use a GR 66 on trumpet but a Sparx 4 which is equivalent to a GR 65 on cornet. The "very" slightly smaller diameter makes up for the loss of support from the much deeper cup. Haven't mucked about with the flugel mouthpiece yet; waiting until I can buy an Eclipse flugel before going down that road. The different diameters actually feel very similar (at least I can't tell the difference). Note to self: spend more time on cornet; it's fun.

04-18-2007, 03:51 PM	#8 (permalink)
Dale Proctor Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Heart of Dixie Brand: Bach, vintage Conn Posts: 636	Re: question about Cornet&Flugel mouthpiece I guess playing with different mouthpieces may screw some people up, but I don't really have a problem with it. I may take a few minutes to acclimate to another mouthpiece I'm familiar with, but that's about it.
	__________________ "Brass bands are all very well in their place - outdoors and several miles away." - Sir Thomas Beecham Olde Towne Brass www.otbrass.com Brass Band of Huntsville www.brassbandofhuntsville.org

04-18-2007, 07:18 PM	#9 (permalink)
crowmadic Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 524	Re: question about Cornet&Flugel mouthpiece I'm taking a raggady mouthpiece and cutting, reaming, and smoothing it in my home workshop. I may get something without loosing anything. Have any of you guys ever tried playing Dr. Frankenstein with a mouthpiece?

04-18-2007, 07:48 PM	#10 (permalink)
Vulgano Brother Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Home Posts: 2,969	Re: question about Cornet&Flugel mouthpiece YES! IT'S FUN!
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