daniel starz

ok i will bite what is Reeves Sleeves ?

about stuffy recordings , i can help that , send too.....

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dameyn

Reeves sleeves are tubes matching the receiver taper and diameter, very thin metal, to effectively increase the shank diameter, so it doesn't go into the receiver so far. You can get the same effect temporarily with a piece of paper on the shank. A narrow piece of paper on the shank will simulate a very thin sleeve, widening it simulates increasingly thick sleeves. It doesn't take much to significantly decrease the insertion depth of the mouthpiece, thus increasing the gap. You'll find the best gap this way quickly and cheaply. Then, tell Bob Reeves (Google Reeves Mouthpieces on the internet) your mouthpiece model and what degree of change in insertion depth you need, he'll sell you the appropriate sleeve for permanent use. A lot cheaper than getting a new mouthpiece or an adjustable receiver.

daniel starz

Yes that all makes sense , but how do I close the gap up ,humm a short mouth piece that needs to be longer ?
I thought about this before , tonight I will measure my horns to find the depth of the receiver , and mark a MP to find its length inside once seated .
Does this make a tremendous difference ?
I really get kind of fussy being a builder I like things to fit , plumb, level, and square,, but this being older horns for my son ,it is a tolerance I can live with , but I do try and give him every bit of advantage I can.

i am sorry for side tracking this post ! this site TM is full of great knowledge .
we do have a olds # 3 mouthpiece in very good shape , are there other older "olds MP # " , is the backbore the same, throat dia. for the cornet and trumpet ?

Daniel plays with the #3 on his super and recording .
Bach 6 on his getzens .

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trumpets
getzen artist sterling silver
besson international 800 usa
benge 5x
cornets
getzen 80 power bore
getzen tone balance
getzen copra temp
getzen 580 s capri
53 olds super
54 olds recording

Schwab

Bob Reeves Sleeve System and Trumpet Mouthpiece Gap Information

This is a very fine tune for people who are very familiar with their equipment. I doubt that Daniel would notice a difference at this point in his playing career.

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Dylan Schwab
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nieuwguyski

The first step in starting to use Reeves Sleeves is having your mouthpiece cut to accept them. The end result is that you have to use a sleeve to use the mouthpiece. I'm not being critical here, just stating fact; I use Reeves Sleeves myself. That's how you can reduce the gap -- the mouthpiece has been cut down, and you use a smaller sleeve.

As Dylan states, it's a fine tune.

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talcito

These sleeves really help you maximize the efficiency of your horn. Sometimes I will play a trumpet that is missing "something special" and when I try a new sleeve the horn will just "light up". I have about 6 sleeves and they have saved me a ton of money(compared to buying new mouthieces and trumpets).

csimhoff

I have to agree with Dylan as well on this one. I use sleeves and am quite happy. It's a great system once you're to a certain point and refining the equipment front. I would suggest saving the money you would spend [on the sleeves and getting the mouthpiece(s) cut] for lessons and recordings, especially recordings. If the sound isn't in the mind to begin with all the gear in the world isn't going to help.

All the best,

Chris

daniel starz

Thanks Gentlemen
I did try to measure the the Getzens , there is not a ridge I can feel inside the receiver same on the olds .I did find gunk buildup which now being cleaned out .
Now the bach mouthpiece we use is about 3/32 longer than the #3 olds MP.
Daniel does not care for the #3 olds much at all .
But sounds brighter than the bach #6 .
The bach is loose in the olds ,side to side slop, which brings me back to a short shank for the olds, and finding them.
But none of the bach really fit the getzen's ether they are kind of sloppy also (move side to side ) which leads to setting them a bit tighter in the receiver . My son is worried they will get stuck , so am I, but I am a bit more careful and have a feel for tight.
I wonder if I need to call getzen again , humm short shank or long ?
I could ask Oldlou , it feels like the taper is not correct , I can measure the insides and compare the numbers of each receiver for reference .

more later , as I learn !
ha ha ha anybody get a brush stuck in a slide CROOK , I did , finally I got two zip ties put together, snip off the end sticking out. then I run one end though the slide , slid past the stuck brush, the zip connection caught the brush and came right out . oh yes is was on the olds super , thank god my son was asleep , and I will never tell HIM .

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trumpets
getzen artist sterling silver
besson international 800 usa
benge 5x
cornets
getzen 80 power bore
getzen tone balance
getzen copra temp
getzen 580 s capri
53 olds super
54 olds recording

lou gonzalez

40 yrs ago we were messing around with gaps and tools and bob hit on the sleeves thang. my brother-trpt man and draftsman Mike Gaglione did the exploded schematic bob used when he made the patent apps. this was sooooo long ago-no laser devices on the lathes then.
we all decided this was great stuff-but it really took away from our practice time; then guys like john lewis created a fine art of measuring the resistances-and he had receivers for every tune some nights.
this is sophisticated stuff-keep the pipes clean, align the valves properly, and spend 6 hours a day getting the basics together. sleeves may become an issue in the next 8 yrs or so, but not likely somethin' to worry about yet.

ChopsGone

Someone asked what Reeves Sleeves are. They're explained here:

Bob Reeves Sleeve System and Trumpet Mouthpiece Gap Information

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