is there really a difference?

edcon1981 · 10-13-2008, 02:19 PM

concerning valve oils and slide greases. i've been playing for fifteen years now, and after seeing some of the "have you tried this oil" threads my interest is piquing.

is there a difference between different valve oils and slide greases? is it a major difference? personally i buy the first (and usually cheapest) oil i see. i honestly think i can say that each of my horns has a different brand of oil and grease in their respective cases. i oil my valves every other time i practice with a horn so they never really dry out. in fact the only name brand oil i know i have is holton's. or is it selmers?

Brekelefuw · 10-13-2008, 03:55 PM

The different oils have different properties. Some are lighter, some heavier. The different thicknesses are used for different purposes.
I have been told that the new Yamaha Oil is specially formulated to evaporate evenly, so one part of the oil molecule doesn't disappear earlier than another. I bought a bottle and it works nicely, but I don't know if it better than the Hetman's that I use these days.

Sometimes if your spit is too acidic the valve oil can mix with it and cause drag so I am told.

Solar Bell · 10-13-2008, 04:36 PM

I have been playing for almost 50 years, 40 as a professional.

I used Al Cass for most of that time.

When my Courtois 708 Sonic was wearing out I switched to Zaja oils. I did not use the blue, I used the scented oils. I find it works very well with older horns that might have sticky or slow valve.

A few years ago when I bought my first Schilke, I was introduced to Ultra-Pure oils.

I used them on my Schilkes, and Lawler.

I use Ultra-Pure on my Eclipse horns and could not be happier.

I my opinion Ultra-Pure makes the best oil I have used.

The slide grease and light slide grease is also my only choice.

I think there IS a difference.

-cw-

edcon1981 · 10-13-2008, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solar Bell

I did not use the blue, I used the scented oils. I find it works very well with older horns that might have sticky or slow valve.
-cw-

you know, i forgot i wanted to bring up the scented oils. how strong of a scent are they? are they "that" noticeable? i wonder if that could help with my first valve issue on my olds...

Solar Bell · 10-13-2008, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edcon1981

you know, i forgot i wanted to bring up the scented oils. how strong of a scent are they? are they "that" noticeable? i wonder if that could help with my first valve issue on my olds...

I found ZaJa Scented oils very good with older or worn horns.

The scent is a little more than just subtle.

I liked the orange, but I REALLY liked the vanilla scented oil.

More than a few people I know have said that the scented oils really helped their older horns.

I still go with Ultra-Pure on my new horns though.

-cw-

edcon1981 · 10-13-2008, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solar Bell

I found ZaJa Scented oils very good with older or worn horns.

The scent is a little more than just subtle.

I liked the orange, but I REALLY liked the vanilla scented oil.

More than a few people I know have said that the scented oils really helped their older horns.

I still go with Ultra-Pure on my new horns though.

-cw-

i wanna give the zaja oils a try, but it seems as though they're only available online; my local sam ash and any other music stores carry off brand oils.

Newguy · 10-13-2008, 08:00 PM

In my limited experience, I have tried a Woodwind and Brasswind brand that came with my Barrington. This sort of gives me a "netural baseline" to work from because it is nothing special, just oil. Next I went to Al Cass and I found that to be better but still seemed to be lacking something especially after I got the older Holton horns. Now I use Hetman's on everything and am very happy with it. I use lighter on the Barrington and a heavier on the older horns and everything works very well for me. Those old valves on the Supers seem to work like greased lightening!!

Wlfgng · 10-14-2008, 12:43 AM

I've never expermented with valve oils, I just use the generic brand that the music store sells to schools for the music programs. $1.99 for a bottle, works well for me. Works well in the King, use it on all my old Olds with out problem.

If it aint broke.........

Al Innella · 10-14-2008, 06:54 AM

I use either Bach or Al Cass oils on my newer tighter valves and Slick Stuff on the more worn horns.

edcon1981 · 10-14-2008, 09:29 AM

what about more conventional oils, such as 3 n 1 or wd40; are they detrimental to a horn?

10-13-2008, 02:19 PM	#1
edcon1981 Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: South Philly Posts: 801	is there really a difference? concerning valve oils and slide greases. i've been playing for fifteen years now, and after seeing some of the "have you tried this oil" threads my interest is piquing. is there a difference between different valve oils and slide greases? is it a major difference? personally i buy the first (and usually cheapest) oil i see. i honestly think i can say that each of my horns has a different brand of oil and grease in their respective cases. i oil my valves every other time i practice with a horn so they never really dry out. in fact the only name brand oil i know i have is holton's. or is it selmers? __________________ Ed Con... 1890's (est) LeFevre 691 Cornet 1890's (est) Harwood "Solo Model" Cornet 1954 Olds (LA) Ambassador Cornet 1956 Olds (EF) Ambassador Trumpet 1989 Selmer Bundy Trumpet 2007 Kanstul KSB100 3-Valve Bugle "Villains always have antidotes... they're funny that way. "

10-13-2008, 03:55 PM	#2
Brekelefuw Forte User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,532	Re: is there really a difference? The different oils have different properties. Some are lighter, some heavier. The different thicknesses are used for different purposes. I have been told that the new Yamaha Oil is specially formulated to evaporate evenly, so one part of the oil molecule doesn't disappear earlier than another. I bought a bottle and it works nicely, but I don't know if it better than the Hetman's that I use these days. Sometimes if your spit is too acidic the valve oil can mix with it and cause drag so I am told.

10-13-2008, 04:36 PM	#3
Solar Bell Moderator Utimate User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 5,526	Re: is there really a difference? I have been playing for almost 50 years, 40 as a professional. I used Al Cass for most of that time. When my Courtois 708 Sonic was wearing out I switched to Zaja oils. I did not use the blue, I used the scented oils. I find it works very well with older horns that might have sticky or slow valve. A few years ago when I bought my first Schilke, I was introduced to Ultra-Pure oils. I used them on my Schilkes, and Lawler. I use Ultra-Pure on my Eclipse horns and could not be happier. I my opinion Ultra-Pure makes the best oil I have used. The slide grease and light slide grease is also my only choice. I think there IS a difference. -cw- __________________ Chuck Willard *The Willard of Oz* "Don't be afraid to see what you see." Ronald Reagan The average response time of a 911 call is over 4 minutes. The average speed of my 9mm is 1250 fps *When seconds count....the police are only minutes away.*

10-13-2008, 08:00 PM	#7
Newguy Pianissimo User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Pittsburgh Area Posts: 95	Re: is there really a difference? In my limited experience, I have tried a Woodwind and Brasswind brand that came with my Barrington. This sort of gives me a "netural baseline" to work from because it is nothing special, just oil. Next I went to Al Cass and I found that to be better but still seemed to be lacking something especially after I got the older Holton horns. Now I use Hetman's on everything and am very happy with it. I use lighter on the Barrington and a heavier on the older horns and everything works very well for me. Those old valves on the Supers seem to work like greased lightening!! __________________ Bernie 1959 Holton Super Collegiate Trumpet 1960 Holton Super Collegiate Cornet 2008 Barrington Trumpet

10-14-2008, 12:43 AM	#8
Wlfgng Piano User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 328	Re: is there really a difference? I've never expermented with valve oils, I just use the generic brand that the music store sells to schools for the music programs. $1.99 for a bottle, works well for me. Works well in the King, use it on all my old Olds with out problem. If it aint broke......... __________________ Olds Ambassador(only one left, need more) King Silver Flair - main horn Selmer Cornet Amatuers practice till they get it right, Professionals practice till they can't get it wrong.

10-14-2008, 06:54 AM	#9
Al Innella Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NY Posts: 610	Re: is there really a difference? I use either Bach or Al Cass oils on my newer tighter valves and Slick Stuff on the more worn horns.

10-14-2008, 09:29 AM	#10
edcon1981 Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: South Philly Posts: 801	Re: is there really a difference? what about more conventional oils, such as 3 n 1 or wd40; are they detrimental to a horn? __________________ Ed Con... 1890's (est) LeFevre 691 Cornet 1890's (est) Harwood "Solo Model" Cornet 1954 Olds (LA) Ambassador Cornet 1956 Olds (EF) Ambassador Trumpet 1989 Selmer Bundy Trumpet 2007 Kanstul KSB100 3-Valve Bugle "Villains always have antidotes... they're funny that way. "

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