Valve guard covers -string, velcro, larger?

SteveRicks · 09-20-2009, 01:27 PM

efore randomly ordering, does anyone have any suggestions on the best valve guard to get? I see Dolly Dolly bags makes one that extends up over the lead pipe for protection agains the right hand, and also seems to help cover some on the 3rd valve slide. Anyone have one? Does it interfer with playing?

Also, is there a preference of string tie to velcro? The ones I used 30 years ago had a snap and worked well, though I'd like a little more coverage than they provided, if it doesn't interfer with playing.

Thanks,
Steve

1946 Olds Super
1953 Olds Super
1962 Olds Super
1967 Bach Strad
1970 Bach Strad

Ric232 · 09-20-2009, 01:37 PM

I have a Yamaha velcro guard for my Xeno. It's pretty good except that it's a little bulky right where my right thumb goes under the mouthpipe. No big deal, though. For my old horn, I have an old Bach lace-up valve guard (It's gold in color so it matches my horn. A nice tacky early 80's sort of thing.) The Bach is much thinner because it is completely synthetic unlike the new Yamaha model which I think is leather. I personally don't like the guards that cover more than just the valve guard. If there is one that covers the valve guard and the bell area where your left hand rests, I think that would be fine. But I don't like the ones that offer "extra protection" on the right side at the mouthpipe. Seems like it would be in the way all the time.

65Strad · 09-20-2009, 05:33 PM

Leather Specialities CRE Loaded 6 - Leather Specialties Company

is pretty much the top quality producer of these guards. I have seven guards for my horns and Larry Black (owner) has made custom guards with larger flaps for under the bell and leadpipe with stiffener material to protect the instruments with velcro fasteners with a celophane liner to prevent hand acids from going through the cover to the finish. No wear or ravages from handling. Great investment to protect your instument/s for little expense. Well worth the cost in my opinion.

SteveRicks · 09-20-2009, 05:43 PM

Wow, thanks Tom. Looks like they would do the job. Any problems on interfering with handling? Only glitch I see is they are over double what other guards list for. Oh well.
Steve

MFfan · 09-20-2009, 07:58 PM

I have used neoprene w/velcro on my trumpets for years with good results, comfortable and no damage to horn. Got mine at Discount Dave's Tampa store.

SpiritDCI08 · 09-21-2009, 08:40 AM

Those guards seems a little excessive for me.
I use a guard from ProTec that only covers the casing.
I use a cloth to wipe off the oils not protected from the guard.
Those guards seem like they will effect your performance?
How do they work for you?

gchun · 09-21-2009, 02:39 PM

I'd recommend that you get a velco valve guard. Once a week (or every few weeks), you should remove it clean off any gunk or moisture that may get trapped underneath. That will help prevent any damage to the finish, be it plated or lacquer.

The lace ones are nice, but it's a pain to remove.

Garry

Bagnewauckland · 09-23-2009, 02:52 AM

My Neoprene one does the job for me. On my old horn (before I got the guard) all the lacquer on the valve casing came off (I have quite acidic skin) and a bit wore where the lower part of my left hand index finger rubbed against the bell stem. With my new horn (and guard) the finish on the casing is fine, and the wearing on the bell stem seems to be a lot less severe than it did on my old horn. Probably because my old horn was not the highest quality horn out there...
I will say that the Guard was a very good purchse.
Neotech, made in USA; neotechstraps.com
The leather ones all seem quite fancy, and if you can afford to pay a little more, go ahead- They'll probably last longer too.

tedh1951 · 09-23-2009, 06:31 AM

Hmm, with all them leather things chaps, I would feel like a cowboy.

rowuk · 09-23-2009, 02:04 PM

I like the feel of the vibrating horn in my hands. Insulation removes me from that experience. That is why I do not use them.

09-20-2009, 01:27 PM	#1
SteveRicks Pianissimo User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 94	Valve guard covers -string, velcro, larger? efore randomly ordering, does anyone have any suggestions on the best valve guard to get? I see Dolly Dolly bags makes one that extends up over the lead pipe for protection agains the right hand, and also seems to help cover some on the 3rd valve slide. Anyone have one? Does it interfer with playing? Also, is there a preference of string tie to velcro? The ones I used 30 years ago had a snap and worked well, though I'd like a little more coverage than they provided, if it doesn't interfer with playing. Thanks, Steve 1946 Olds Super 1953 Olds Super 1962 Olds Super 1967 Bach Strad 1970 Bach Strad

09-20-2009, 01:37 PM	#2
Ric232 Pianissimo User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 79	Re: Valve guard covers -string, velcro, larger? I have a Yamaha velcro guard for my Xeno. It's pretty good except that it's a little bulky right where my right thumb goes under the mouthpipe. No big deal, though. For my old horn, I have an old Bach lace-up valve guard (It's gold in color so it matches my horn. A nice tacky early 80's sort of thing.) The Bach is much thinner because it is completely synthetic unlike the new Yamaha model which I think is leather. I personally don't like the guards that cover more than just the valve guard. If there is one that covers the valve guard and the bell area where your left hand rests, I think that would be fine. But I don't like the ones that offer "extra protection" on the right side at the mouthpipe. Seems like it would be in the way all the time. __________________ Ric Comeback Player 2009 Yamaha Xeno 8335S 1983 Mercedes II Bb Trumpet Yamaha 14B4 (primary) Yamaha 16C4-GP (rarely) Bach 3C (retired)

09-20-2009, 05:33 PM	#3
65Strad Pianissimo User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Brick, New Jersey Posts: 94	Re: Valve guard covers -string, velcro, larger? Leather Specialities CRE Loaded 6 - Leather Specialties Company is pretty much the top quality producer of these guards. I have seven guards for my horns and Larry Black (owner) has made custom guards with larger flaps for under the bell and leadpipe with stiffener material to protect the instruments with velcro fasteners with a celophane liner to prevent hand acids from going through the cover to the finish. No wear or ravages from handling. Great investment to protect your instument/s for little expense. Well worth the cost in my opinion. __________________ Tom D'Antoni '08 Bach custom Bb SN#2008 '65 Bach 181 37 SN#30836 Brand New '66 Bach 180 37 SN#39773 Brand New '69 Bach 181 37 SN#58831 Raw Brass '72 Bach 180S 43 SN#70503 1st Valve Trigger '05 Bach VBS 196 SN# 560142 A/Bb Piccolo '07 Bach Chicago C SN#656602 Last edited by 65Strad; 09-20-2009 at 05:35 PM.

09-20-2009, 05:43 PM	#4
SteveRicks Pianissimo User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 94	Re: Valve guard covers -string, velcro, larger? Wow, thanks Tom. Looks like they would do the job. Any problems on interfering with handling? Only glitch I see is they are over double what other guards list for. Oh well. Steve

09-20-2009, 07:58 PM	#5
MFfan Forte User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kalamazoo, Michigan Posts: 1,690	Re: Valve guard covers -string, velcro, larger? I have used neoprene w/velcro on my trumpets for years with good results, comfortable and no damage to horn. Got mine at Discount Dave's Tampa store. __________________ Dave Rafferty Lemar Trumpet (peashooter-Conn?) Lyrical Trumpet (Tokan) Besson 609 Trumpet 1955-60 Besson 8-10 Trumpet 1948 Besson cornet 1946 King Master Cornet www.kalamazooconcertband.org

09-21-2009, 08:40 AM	#6
SpiritDCI08 Piano User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 322	Re: Valve guard covers -string, velcro, larger? Those guards seems a little excessive for me. I use a guard from ProTec that only covers the casing. I use a cloth to wipe off the oils not protected from the guard. Those guards seem like they will effect your performance? How do they work for you? __________________ King Model 601 (my favorite horn so far) Vincent Bach 3c and 5c ------------------------------------------------ Spirit Drum and Bugle Corps 08, 09 Choctawhatchee Stylemarchers 07,08 ROLL TIDE!!! "The Blue Devils could run out on the field, take a dump on the 50, flick off the judges and still get a 95" -- Alex Blue

09-21-2009, 02:39 PM	#7
gchun Pianissimo User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 153	Re: Valve guard covers -string, velcro, larger? I'd recommend that you get a velco valve guard. Once a week (or every few weeks), you should remove it clean off any gunk or moisture that may get trapped underneath. That will help prevent any damage to the finish, be it plated or lacquer. The lace ones are nice, but it's a pain to remove. Garry

09-23-2009, 02:52 AM	#8
Bagnewauckland Pianissimo User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Howick, New Zealand Posts: 89	Re: Valve guard covers -string, velcro, larger? My Neoprene one does the job for me. On my old horn (before I got the guard) all the lacquer on the valve casing came off (I have quite acidic skin) and a bit wore where the lower part of my left hand index finger rubbed against the bell stem. With my new horn (and guard) the finish on the casing is fine, and the wearing on the bell stem seems to be a lot less severe than it did on my old horn. Probably because my old horn was not the highest quality horn out there... I will say that the Guard was a very good purchse. Neotech, made in USA; neotechstraps.com The leather ones all seem quite fancy, and if you can afford to pay a little more, go ahead- They'll probably last longer too. __________________ As much as I wish it was, the horn in the avatar isn't mine Yamaha YTR6335 Yamaha 14B4 Marc. Bobby Shew #1 JetTone LMCX Gold Plated Bach 3C Protec Small Mouthpiece pouch (3 slots) Chinese "7C" Tiny Brass piece from my $15 Bugle Denis Wick Cup Mute Stone Lined Wa-wa Du-all Denis Wick Straight Mute Dorsy Tommy Shastock Wooden Straight Mute Yamaha Wooden Shell Hard Case

09-23-2009, 06:31 AM	#9
tedh1951 Forte User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 2,420	Re: Valve guard covers -string, velcro, larger? Hmm, with all them leather things chaps, I would feel like a cowboy. __________________ . Ted

09-23-2009, 02:04 PM	#10
rowuk Moderator Utimate User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 7,364	Re: Valve guard covers -string, velcro, larger? I like the feel of the vibrating horn in my hands. Insulation removes me from that experience. That is why I do not use them. __________________ Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

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