Yer basic 7c

juliusbram · 07-14-2009, 07:12 PM

Just a quick question (which I am sure has been asked or answered a million times before).. I want to get a 'proper' quality basic 7c. The one that came with the horn looks a bit like a spare part off a motorbike, and rather than start fretting about all the many things involved in changing this and that, I'd like to get a very good quality basic piece for my very cheap horn that will last me well into the future.

I am lucky that I have a decent paypal balance to spend, and am prepared to shell out whatever it takes to get a professional bit of kit. Are there any recommendations as to makers I should look for

shadowpwner · 07-15-2009, 02:48 AM

wwbw.com

15 bucks including shipping maximum, or at the local music store it costs 5 bucks. get a bach.

BenH · 07-15-2009, 05:32 AM

It costs more than 5 bucks in England for a Bach!

That said, a Bach 7C is probably a good starting point. They're reasonably cheap, which means you won't be out of pocket when you invariably decide that you want to try something different and go on a mouthpiece safari.

juliusbram · 07-15-2009, 06:30 AM

Bach does seem to be coming out on top as 'The' choice of most people. Reading around the many posts and websites. The only variables I can see to that, is perhaps the benefit of having gold plate. Is that just a 'feel' thing (texture, warmth etc)? as I struggle to think it will affect the sound.

TisEkard · 07-15-2009, 06:46 AM

Don't buy a Bach mouthpiece, they are inconsistent, and your lips just fall right into them.

tedh1951 · 07-15-2009, 06:47 AM

Julius,

It doesn't change the sound at all.

I have both silver and goldplated MPCs - some silver ones I have had replated in gold - Benge 3C for example. The goldplated mouthpiece feels warmer and more slippery and I very much enjoy the feel more than a silverplated MPC. A lot of it has to do with the ability of the surface of the gold to hold a fine film of moisture (invisible to the eye BTW). Goldplated MPCs are a "little" more fragile because the surface is softer, but if you treat you MPC as you should this will never be a problem. I am so enamored with the goldplating that I have had #1 Son's Tuba MPC, and #2 Son's Trombone MPC goldplated (WTH it's only their inheritance), and they both love it too.

There appears top be two different era "Bach" mouthpieces - the old ones - now known as Benge, and the newer ones which we normally call the Bach (I think this is correct) - mine are the Benge ones made by UMC {these come with a fancy little blue plastic mouthpiece 'purse' BTW}.

Al Innella · 07-15-2009, 07:55 AM

Try a bach 7C , Schilke 11 or if you can find one a Giardinelli 7C , their all reasonably priced and used by both amateurs and pros.

rowuk · 07-15-2009, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TisEkard

Don't buy a Bach mouthpiece, they are inconsistent, and your lips just fall right into them.

Drake,
that is a pretty bold unsubstantiated remark considering the hundreds of students I have had through the years with this exact mouthpiece. Who cares how consistent it is. Beginners are not switching mouthpieces between different horns.

A 7 C has a slightly sharp rim, so there is no "slipping" around or fallinf in.

Vulgano Brother · 07-15-2009, 07:34 PM

Being in the EU, try an "Arnold and Son" 7c. Better quality control than Bach, and cheaper too.

Ursa · 07-17-2009, 05:27 AM

Blessing makes a very nice low-priced 7C, priced substantially lower than the Bach 7C. The Blessing 7C has a somewhat softer "bite" on the inner rim than the Bach has, and has a little less mass. I find it a little more flexible and a bit more comfortable on my chops than the Bach.
If I were maintaining a rental fleet of student instruments and needed good, cheap mouthpieces to include with the horns, these would be the ones.

07-15-2009, 06:30 AM	#4
juliusbram New Friend Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: York, England Posts: 10	Re: Yer basic 7c Bach does seem to be coming out on top as 'The' choice of most people. Reading around the many posts and websites. The only variables I can see to that, is perhaps the benefit of having gold plate. Is that just a 'feel' thing (texture, warmth etc)? as I struggle to think it will affect the sound. __________________ _______________________________________ Unknown blank/ stencil standard brass horn and the mouthpiece that came with it. Toot.

07-15-2009, 06:46 AM	#5
TisEkard Pianissimo User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: L.A./Orange County CA Posts: 128	Re: Yer basic 7c Don't buy a Bach mouthpiece, they are inconsistent, and your lips just fall right into them. __________________ Drake F. Peterson

07-15-2009, 06:47 AM	#6
tedh1951 Forte User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 2,420	Re: Yer basic 7c Julius, It doesn't change the sound at all. I have both silver and goldplated MPCs - some silver ones I have had replated in gold - Benge 3C for example. The goldplated mouthpiece feels warmer and more slippery and I very much enjoy the feel more than a silverplated MPC. A lot of it has to do with the ability of the surface of the gold to hold a fine film of moisture (invisible to the eye BTW). Goldplated MPCs are a "little" more fragile because the surface is softer, but if you treat you MPC as you should this will never be a problem. I am so enamored with the goldplating that I have had #1 Son's Tuba MPC, and #2 Son's Trombone MPC goldplated (WTH it's only their inheritance), and they both love it too. There appears top be two different era "Bach" mouthpieces - the old ones - now known as Benge, and the newer ones which we normally call the Bach (I think this is correct) - mine are the Benge ones made by UMC {these come with a fancy little blue plastic mouthpiece 'purse' BTW}. __________________ . Ted Last edited by tedh1951; 07-15-2009 at 06:49 AM.

07-15-2009, 07:55 AM	#7
Al Innella Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NY Posts: 610	Re: Yer basic 7c Try a bach 7C , Schilke 11 or if you can find one a Giardinelli 7C , their all reasonably priced and used by both amateurs and pros. Last edited by Al Innella; 07-31-2009 at 03:14 PM.

07-15-2009, 07:34 PM	#9
Vulgano Brother Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 4,253	Re: Yer basic 7c Being in the EU, try an "Arnold and Son" 7c. Better quality control than Bach, and cheaper too. __________________ "A tool good enough to be so used and not too good" C.S. Lewis That Hideous Strength www.letsbuildhope.org

07-14-2009, 07:12 PM	#1
juliusbram New Friend Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: York, England Posts: 10	Yer basic 7c Just a quick question (which I am sure has been asked or answered a million times before).. I want to get a 'proper' quality basic 7c. The one that came with the horn looks a bit like a spare part off a motorbike, and rather than start fretting about all the many things involved in changing this and that, I'd like to get a very good quality basic piece for my very cheap horn that will last me well into the future. I am lucky that I have a decent paypal balance to spend, and am prepared to shell out whatever it takes to get a professional bit of kit. Are there any recommendations as to makers I should look for __________________ _______________________________________ Unknown blank/ stencil standard brass horn and the mouthpiece that came with it. Toot.

07-15-2009, 02:48 AM	#2
shadowpwner New Friend Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 15	Re: Yer basic 7c wwbw.com 15 bucks including shipping maximum, or at the local music store it costs 5 bucks. get a bach.

07-17-2009, 05:27 AM	#10
Ursa Pianissimo User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 184	Re: Yer basic 7c Blessing makes a very nice low-priced 7C, priced substantially lower than the Bach 7C. The Blessing 7C has a somewhat softer "bite" on the inner rim than the Bach has, and has a little less mass. I find it a little more flexible and a bit more comfortable on my chops than the Bach. If I were maintaining a rental fleet of student instruments and needed good, cheap mouthpieces to include with the horns, these would be the ones. __________________ Ursa's collection of fine brasswinds... Besson BE709 Trumpet Conn 20B Trumpet - small bore E. K. Blessing XL-CR Short Cornet Frank Holton Super Collegiate Trumpet, Copper/Nickel bell Frank Holton Super Collegiate Cornet, Rose Brass/Nickel bell Frank Holton Collegiate Cornet Yamaha YEP-321S Euphonium Frank Holton 6/4 EEb Tuba

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