Liad Bar-EL

Trptmaster: Oct 15th, 2003, 10:22am

Lets talk about sugar folks. Dr. Atkins isn't having it. Would it be worse for me to eat foods with refined sugars all day long or red meat? What did our ancestors eat? It wasn't loads of sugar that is for sure. They were hunting and killing things for food. What say you!

TM

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romey1: « Reply #1 on: Oct 15th, 2003, 11:01am »

TM,

Check out Splenda, my friend.

I use it in my coffee every morning.

romey

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Tootsall: « Reply #2 on: Oct 15th, 2003, 12:23pm

Question for you: Do you know what "refined" sugar is? Quite simply, it is "pure" sugar. That's all. The molecule in sucrose is nothing more sinister than C12H22O11. White sugar is made by taking coarse sugar that was produced in the cane fields and removing the dirt and syrups from the outside of the crystal. It is then melted down, purified to remove nitrates, etc. that the plant "took up" from the soil, and then recrystallized. Crystallization is, of course, one of the most perfect means of purification in existence since the formation of the crystal (sucrose, in this case) excludes impurities from the crystal and leaves them (the impurities) in the syrup which is then centrifuged and washed off before the crystals are dried and packaged.

"Brown" sugar, which is often preferred to the evil "refined" sugar is simply sugar that has been produced EXACTLY THE SAME WAY AS "REFINED" SUGAR that has then had some of the previously removed syrups PUT BACK ONTO THE OUTSIDE OF THE CRYSTALS!

That is right, my friends....Brown sugars (including "Golden", "Demararra", etc.) is "refined sugar" with the dirt put back onto the outside of the crystals. Reading from the "Beet Sugar Technology" text, brown sugar is defined as "A marketable product consisting of fine sugar crystals lightly coated with a yellow or brown-colored syrup that contains a relatively high percentage of invert sugar, which keeps the product slightly moist." It is the flavor of the impurities in the syrup that give the various brown and yellow sugars their unique flavours.

The above is based on my 17 years in a sugar factory.

For my money, I'd rather consume sugar as a sweetener than some artificial, man-made "chemical". It's sure a heck of a lot more "natural"!

Liad Bar-EL

romey1: « Reply #3 on: Oct 15th, 2003, 12:26pm »

Is Brown Sugar bad?

I put it on my oatmeal every morning.

romey

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Trptmaster:« Reply #4 on: Oct 15th, 2003, 12:39pm »

I have no idea what refined sugar means. I just thought I would throw that out there. Seems like it is a buzz word these days. Toots you sure do know your sugar. Bravo! Great to have you on the Health forum.

PS Romey. One step ahead of you my friend. Sorry Equal. I choose SPLENDA.

TM

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TrumpetPlayer: « Reply #5 on: Oct 15th, 2003, 12:56pm »

Ancestors? How far back do you want to go? Adam lived 930 years, Moses lived 120 years, King David 70 years and King Solomon 52 years (with 1,000 wives is there any wonder? I am sure his wives were sweet but had nothing to do with sugar. ).

The life expectancy has greatly increased since our more recent ancestors and we are finding new things all the time in medicine that helps us to become more healthy. IMO, and this is not a hard fast rule; however, most of the abuse in diet happens in the younger years of our lives and this in turn sets the body working dysfunctional for our later years.

It would be worse for you to eat all the health foods you could get your hands on all day long than it would for you to eat just a little sugar or even a little Red Meat once a day.

If something else comes my way in terms of brain wave links to other information on this subject, I will be sure to post them at a later date.

Be well,

Liad Bar-EL

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Tootsall: « Reply #6 on: Oct 15th, 2003, 1:03pm »

TrumpetMaster, I did you a disservice when I neglected to respond to your first premise that our ancestors did not eat tons of sugar. You are correct in that statement. However, did you know that a great many non-meat foods contain sugars of various types? We recognize that most (all?) fruits contain Fructose which, when combined with glucose (which our bodies need) forms the Sucrose molecule. Our ancestors have been eating fruit for some time! (I seem to recall something about an apple in a garden ... but that was perhaps before my time ).

Many root crops contain sugars of various types: carrots can contain upwards of 10% sucrose! Sugar beets (related to the "red beets") contain up to or in excess of 20% sucrose by weight (depending upon the growing conditions, varieties, etc.) Sugar cane is actually a grass. The place I work processes sugar beets...our sister factory processes raw cane sugar to produce "refined" (we call it "granulated") sugar and brown sugars. Sweet corn contains a high concentration of fructose (from which corn syrups are made).

Making sugar from beets was originated by Napoleon. He was a little upset that the British had control of "international trade" on the high seas which restricted how much cane sugar he could get into France (and thereby upsetting the French population who had developed a taste for sugar). So he directed his agriculture industry to start investigating the possibility of getting sugar out of crops that could be grown in France.

Anyway...if anyone has any questions they'd like to ask about sugar, how it's made, or what's in it I'd be pleased to respond here or in private message. As far as specific "diets" that promote various types of food restrictions are concerned, I'd "take the fifth". That should be between you and your personal physician.

Liad Bar-EL

TrumpetPlayer: « Reply #7 on: Oct 15th, 2003, 1:06pm »

The Evils of SUGAR:

If dumped into your car gas tank, it will ruin the engine pistons. If sugar will ruin the car engine, would it not also adversely affect the trumpet valves?

Hmmm ... eating sweets on breaks, not brushing teeth, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. There is already Red Rot in the trumpet; so, maybe there is also a Sweet Rod in the trumpet also for sweets rot the teeth.

Liad Bar-EL

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Tootsall: « Reply #8 on: Oct 15th, 2003, 1:08pm »

Romey, your daily diet of oatmeal is FAR better for you than you could imagine. Wish I could get up early enough in the morning for the same. As it is, I settle for Corn Flakes or Special K (although on weekends I'm "bad" and sometimes have a couple of scrambled eggs or bacon and tomatoe sandwiches). But only when my body "asks" for them of course.

Liad Bar-EL

Tootsall: « Reply #9 on: Oct 15th, 2003, 1:10pm »

LOL! Liad, that is right on. I find that using Binak (which requires weekly valve cleaning) is helpful for combatting the effects of the rum 'n coke that I like to sip on from time to time! Yeah, the coke is no doubt worse for the horn than the rum. It's a toss-up which is worse for me.