LFRoberts5

I took my boys out shooting the other day. For $20 we were able to shoot full auto's.
My 11 yo boy shot a suppressed UZI 9mm submachine gun, a Tommy Gun and a Grease Gun. I shot a Glock 18 9mm machine pistol, an AK 47 and the Tommy Gun also.
Talk about a day to remember. They also had a .500 Magnum revolver and a 50 cal. with exploding tip, single shot rifle.

40cal

Nuthin beats rocking and rolling w/a full auto.

tom turner

Yep!

Shooting one makes you WANT one.

Then again . . . you can surely burn a bunch of ammo REAL FAST!!!

I've always wanted a nice Thompson . . . but the used prices run over 10K now, and of course you've also got to pay for that pesky Class III license and put up with all the regulations and inspections that go along with it.

T.

MJ

Pics Please What caliber does the Tommy Gun shoot? 45?

tom turner

.45ACP . . . a great round out of a handgun . . . and devastating coming out of that longer barrel.

Today the big, fat .45ACP is obsolete as a sub round . . . and many are going to the 9mm in the super-hot NATO loading for subguns. They are small in diameter and lots can be loaded into big clips.

Still . . . there's something nostalgic about a tommy gun and a 50 round drum!

Here's my father-in-law, in WWII. His job was the tommy gunner on the bridge. His job was to both guard the bridge in port . . . plus use his tommy gun when the fighting got real close to an enemy boat that they might capture or have to get close to . . . closer than the deck guns to shoot at. The Germans were full of tricks.



He got a Purple Heart in one battle from shrapnel while on post, and ended up using his Thompson, with deadly effect, on enemy sailors in battle . . . when they WERE up close and personal.

Tom

MJ

Nice photo Tom,

I'm getting the sense these days that people are really getting away from 9mm Sub Guns

I know the MP5 is still used but I think that gun was really popular in the 80s and 90s. Now I see many swat teams and seals and those kind of high speed teams using m4s.

I know the FBI tried the 10 mm Mp5. But I think alot of people don't want a "longer" gun spitting out pistol rounds.

I talked to this one guy I met about a month ago who was working as a contractor in Iraq. He said some guys would show up with MP5s and they were told to find something that shoots a rifle round quick.

tom turner

Hi,

You know my feeling on the 9mm already. The 9mm is great against a citizen-soldier who REALLY doesn't want to fight you anymore, and for the crook who really doesn't want the fight to continue.

HOWEVER . . . against someone who really doesn't give a damn about dying and who will still come at you . . . well . . . this type of opponent will possibly kill you before they bleed out!

I'm not surprised at all for that comment in Iraq . . . for Islamic extremists don't really mind dying if they can take one or more of us with them.

The US discovered this same type of problem about 100 years ago in the Bolo Wars in the South Pacific. We'd just dropped the old Single Action Army Colt revolver in .45Colt, and replaced it with the .38 S&W round.

BAD MOVE! The .38 S&W round is an under-powered, shorter version of the later .38 special that was adopted for police work later.

AND . . . the .38 rounds are actually .36 caliber, but since that designation had already been claimed by the blackpowder handgun round of the civil war era, the marketing types upped it to call it a .38. Hekc, a .38 is ACTUALLY a .357 diameter round . . . and the 9mm is a .356 round.

That caliber (.356 & .357) isn't dramatically effective until you load it real hot with a longer cartridge . . . in .357 magnum for revolvers or .38 super for automatics. Most citizen soldiers couldn't handle the recoil of either very well . . . as a group! The 10mm, .41 mag., and .44 mag. are ok too, but each also has way too much kick for the citizen-soldiers as a group to tame.

The .45 is a GREAT round . . . and the recoil is not bad at all! However, they are heavy cartridges that are too fat to load a ton of 'em inside the allocated number of magazines a soldier must carry.


Yep . . . the M4 has a more potent round (.223) than either of those handgun rounds! It's great for killing prarie dogs, varmits . . . AND will also put down a determined Islamic extremist in a more acceptable risk, time-wise!


Some military guys and swat teams are going back to the trusty .45ACP though for handgun rounds against targets that don't mind taking you out as they die.

That's why I love the .45 as a defensive handgun round. If someone ever attacks, and it turns out they don't mind dying . . . that "big, dumb, slow bullet will thump 'em good!

T.

40cal

The sub guns are great if you want to
1. Look cool
2. Don't like shooting too far
3. Look cool.

In all seriousness, one of their greatest benefits is if you employ a sound suppressor, that is where they really come in to their own.

Ballistically, I'd take a .223 over a 9mm sub gun any day of the week.

Not being military has it's advantages too. We can use different rounds the military is not allowed to deploy. I know it is stupid, they can napalm the snot out of someone but no hollow points?

As far as self defense and handguns, I'm a HUGE fan of the .45ACP.

Which is why I have invested so much money in some pistols that shoot the .45.

Taken from the Nighthawk Custom website:

Talon 5"




Talon III



And I just ordered one of these, should be here next FEB (Springfield Professional) but mine will have a rail on the dustcover.

40cal

Fying ashtrays brother....oh yeah!!!

tom turner

Yeah, I got a bunch o' dem big, dumb ol' "Flyin' Ashtrays" . . . they are one of my favorite bullets to use when reloading!

Flying Ashtrays!

. . . what a GREAT name for an appropriately named bullet!!!

T.