GR Leadpipe Conversions?

orchtrpt · 07-21-2004, 11:56 PM

Anyone know what this is all about?

http://www.grmouthpieces.com/

Mikey · 07-22-2004, 12:53 AM

Talk to Charlie Melk:

http://www.charliesbrassworks.com

orchtrpt · 07-22-2004, 12:54 AM

Can you give me a hint? What the heck is a leadpipe "conversion"

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Originally Posted by Mikey

Talk to Charlie Melk:

http://www.charliesbrassworks.com

MUSICandCHARACTER · 07-22-2004, 01:28 AM

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This is where the top part of the main tuning slide is flipped around so the “male” tube is soldered to the lead pipe instead of the crook of the tuning slide.* This is done so the air column meets less resistance by falling off the edge of the inside tube instead of dragging on the ledge that is present when the tuning slide is in a “traditional” configuration.* This is generally done to give the horn a more open feel (more free blowing).* In some cases this may also improve the response of the instrument as well.* Certain manufactures make one way or the other standard on their horns with no option to have it done the other way.* Schilke makes all of their instruments standard with a reverse lead pipe while Blackburn makes his in the traditional configuration.* Both makers have sound reasons for their designs.* I’ve played horns that I felt to be flawless instruments made either way. Ultimately, it is a matter of a performers personal preference

From: http://www.aminortuneup.com/custom.htm

Jim

djm6701 · 07-22-2004, 08:20 AM

I think Gary was/is developing his own leadpipe - it's not just a reverse pipe conversion.

trumpetpimp · 07-22-2004, 05:48 PM

I've bugged Brian Scriver about this a couple times but I think he's begun to ignore my emails.

With any luck he'll see this thread and throw us a few teasers about the pipe(s) and perhaps an ETA because I've been salivating for months now.

What I DO know....you'll have to send your horn to Charlie Melk to have the pipe fit and it'll also include a tuning slide. Previous conversations have not lead me to any conclusions about how many models there will be or when it will be available but I do know that it will be availble in regular or reverse configuration. I'm thinking about having it done to my Yammie and converting it to a reverse pipe.

orchtrpt · 07-22-2004, 08:44 PM

So is this a modification to an existing leadpipe. Or is it a brand new leadpipe they slap on? When I hear the word conversion I am expecting that they do something to an existing leadpipe. Not replace it with something else.

TRPTPIMP

Even having never played or seen one of these you would ship your trumpet out and have this done sight unseen? You must have alot of faith in GR.

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Originally Posted by trumpetpimp

I've bugged Brian Scriver about this a couple times but I think he's begun to ignore my emails.

With any luck he'll see this thread and throw us a few teasers about the pipe(s) and perhaps an ETA because I've been salivating for months now.

What I DO know....you'll have to send your horn to Charlie Melk to have the pipe fit and it'll also include a tuning slide. Previous conversations have not lead me to any conclusions about how many models there will be or when it will be available but I do know that it will be availble in regular or reverse configuration. I'm thinking about having it done to my Yammie and converting it to a reverse pipe.

MUSICandCHARACTER · 07-22-2004, 11:55 PM

Faith in GR? Perhaps.

Most reverse leadpipe conversions add a longer leadpipe and reverse the tuning slide so the venturi is longer. Some say this adds resistance. Many say it helps intonation and slotting.

The faith is probably well placed in GR. But reverse setups can be played on Conn V1, ZeuS Olympus, Schilke, and even Bach Strads. You can try a reverse leadpipe setup before sending your horn off. I guess I would recommended it. My personal take is that on a ML bore or bigger, it greatly helps intonation. YMMV.

Jim

slimshady · 07-23-2004, 01:17 AM

I personally feel that they should have waited a tad longer to announce this project. When I first saw the coming soon...I thought a couple weeks maybe. No, howabout months. Keeps ya checking back tho doesn't it?
might be a smooth marketing technique there. Be honest now, how many mpcs have u guys bought just checking back to see about the leadpipe conversion? me....hmm....only 3-4. hah! not really tho, i'm happy with my 66m and 66s.

Can't wait to see the 1st conversion tho. wonder what the price will be. maybe if we all stop asking about it...the price will be lower. it's worth a shot guys.

orchtrpt · 07-23-2004, 08:34 AM

MC,

Why do you keep talking about "reverse". How do you know it is a reversed pipe? Maybe it is but just because they use the word conversion doesn't mean its reversed (i don't think)

If all they are doing is reversing things I don't think its much of a conversion! I could have any repair man do that. And FWIW on many instruments I have played revesed leadpipes make things worse.

I guess what we have learned here is no one knows what GR has in store for us with these conversions

Carry on and thanks for the help.

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Originally Posted by MUSICandCHARACTER

Faith in GR? Perhaps.

Most reverse leadpipe conversions add a longer leadpipe and reverse the tuning slide so the venturi is longer. Some say this adds resistance. Many say it helps intonation and slotting.

The faith is probably well placed in GR. But reverse setups can be played on Conn V1, ZeuS Olympus, Schilke, and even Bach Strads. You can try a reverse leadpipe setup before sending your horn off. I guess I would recommended it. My personal take is that on a ML bore or bigger, it greatly helps intonation. YMMV.

Jim

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MUSICandCHARACTER Forte User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Newburgh, Indiana Posts: 1,165	Faith in GR? Perhaps. Most reverse leadpipe conversions add a longer leadpipe and reverse the tuning slide so the venturi is longer. Some say this adds resistance. Many say it helps intonation and slotting. The faith is probably well placed in GR. But reverse setups can be played on Conn V1, ZeuS Olympus, Schilke, and even Bach Strads. You can try a reverse leadpipe setup before sending your horn off. I guess I would recommended it. My personal take is that on a ML bore or bigger, it greatly helps intonation. YMMV. Jim __________________ Dr. Jim Fox Licensed Mental Health Therapist Mouthpiece chart: www.ibowtie.com/tmptmpccharts.html

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slimshady Pianissimo User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 94	I personally feel that they should have waited a tad longer to announce this project. When I first saw the coming soon...I thought a couple weeks maybe. No, howabout months. Keeps ya checking back tho doesn't it? might be a smooth marketing technique there. Be honest now, how many mpcs have u guys bought just checking back to see about the leadpipe conversion? me....hmm....only 3-4. hah! not really tho, i'm happy with my 66m and 66s. Can't wait to see the 1st conversion tho. wonder what the price will be. maybe if we all stop asking about it...the price will be lower. it's worth a shot guys.

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