I'm ferious

Trumpetman67 · 09-14-2009, 05:03 PM

You don't know HOW MANY TIMES I practiced my piece for my audition for first chair! All day AND night just so I would be chosen as number one! They said I sounded great, until I found out that he wasn't even LISTENING to ME as I performed!!! He ended up giving it to some, crazy, smelly kid that DOESN'T EVEN PRACTICE.... All I did was quit the marching band because I had to be with ROTC. Even when I told the teacher that he STILL didn't care!

I was talking to him as a nice, REAL person, but he just sat there staring at the stupid computer, never looking at ME. Now I'm P.O. and he won't give me a refund of my money!

No one needs to reply, I just wanted to get this off my chest, so that I feel a little better.
Thank you for your time,
Trumpetman67

Schwab · 09-14-2009, 05:32 PM

This is the way a lot of real world auditions are run too, get used to it!

Trumpetman67 · 09-14-2009, 06:33 PM

Then this sucks!

vntgbrslvr · 09-14-2009, 07:16 PM

I gotta tell ya a lesson my Mom taught me many moons ago. The sooner your accept it the better off you'll be.

Ready???

Life's not fair.

Plain and simple fact is it just isn't. You can accept things the way they are and give up, or find ways to overcome the things that get in your way.

The difference between winners and losers is how they deal with the bumps in the road.

Too often in this day, people seem to think they "deserve" X, Y, or Z. Reality is they don't.

Not sure if you ever heard of Steve Jobs, but he essentially built Apple Computer.......These rules were meant for business, but many of them apply to life and the way we approach everything.

Here are Steve Jobs’ 12 rules of success for your reading pleasure. Steve Jobs has certainly proved how effective these rules can be and he is a man worth listening to when it comes to success.

1 Do what you love to do. Find your true passion. Do what you love to do a make a difference! The only way to do great work is to love what you do.

2 Be different. Think different. “Better be a pirate than to join the navy.”

3 Do your best. Do your best at every job. No sleep! Success generates more success. So be hungry for it. Hire good people with passion for excellence.

4 Make SWOT analysis. As soon as you join/start a company, make a list of strengths and weaknesses of yourself and your company on a piece of paper. Don’t hesitate in throwing bad apples out of the company.

5 Be entrepreneurial. Look for the next big thing. Find a set of ideas that need to be quickly and decisively acted upon and jump through that window. Sometimes the first step is the hardest one. Just take it! Have the courage to follow your heart and intuition.

6 Start small, think big. Don’t worry about too many things at once. Take a handful of simple things to begin with, and then progress to more complex ones. Think about not just tomorrow, but the future. “I want to put a ding in the universe,” reveal Steve Jobs his dream.

7 Strive to become a market leader. Own and control the primary technology in everything you do. If there’s a better technology available, use it no matter if anyone else is not using it. Be the first, and make it an industry standard.

8 Focus on the outcome. People judge you by your performance, so focus on the outcome. Be a yardstick of quality. Some people aren’t used to an environment where excellence is expected.
Advertise. If they don’t know it, they won’t buy your product.

9 Ask for feedback. Ask for feedback from people with diverse backgrounds. Each one will tell you one useful thing. If you’re at the top of the chain, sometimes people won’t give you honest feedback because they’re afraid. In this case, disguise yourself, or get feedback from other sources. Focus on those who will use your product – listen to your customers first.

10 Innovate. Innovation distinguishes a leader from a follower. Delegate, let other top executives do 50% of your routine work to be able to spend 50% your time on the new stuff. Say no to 1,000 things to make sure you don’t get on the wrong track or try to do too much. Concentrate on really important creations and radical innovation. Hire people who want to make the best things in the world. You need a very product-oriented culture, even in a technology company. Lots of companies have tons of great engineers and smart people. But ultimately, there needs to be some gravitational force that pulls it all together.

11 Learn from failures. Sometimes when you innovate, you make mistakes. It is best to admit them quickly, and get on with improving your other innovations.

12 Learn continually. There’s always “one more thing” to learn! Cross-pollinate ideas with others both within and outside your company. Learn from customers, competitors and partners. If you partner with someone whom you don’t like, learn to like them – praise them and benefit from them. Learn to criticize your enemies openly, but honestly.

tedh1951 · 09-14-2009, 08:35 PM

I hear your pain - the previous poster is spot-on though. Find a way to get even - I don't mean anything physical or illegal or even anything at all personal - just find a way to show how good you are and how much this clown has missed out on - be as good as you can be, even reports of your continuing success will get to him(?).

Just a question - "ferious" - is that a contraction of 'furiously serious' perchance?

(I love new words - one of the real joys of reading J.K.Rowlings is the way she 'displays' real language too e.g. we'd've - we would have).

Yeah! Yeah! - what's an old bloke doing reading Harry Potter, well I read it for the wonderfully constructed language.

Jurandr · 09-14-2009, 09:36 PM

I noticed that with the all-district auditions each year, the judges just kinda wave and keep writing. I always make a point of introducing myself and asking if I'm allowed to play a few warm-up tones to get some interaction and zap the judge out of his trance.

Also: A really bad trumpet-related pun on your way out never hurts

NickD · 09-14-2009, 11:10 PM

There are some good ideas voiced here. I might have a differing point of view (he says reaching for his fire extinguisher).

You stood up for yourself. Good. You have to. "Be wise as a serpent." However, I would move on and try to get over the anger. The only person you'll ever hurt by getting angry is YOURSELF. While it feels good to vent, in the long run, turn your energy from anger to the sheer love you have of your playing and the act of sharing it. Temper the wise as serpent thing with "being as gentle as a dove."

I say this almost as a cathartic thing for myself, here. I still slip with this and regret it every time I loose my cool. I like to think those moments are fewer and farther between these days, but, alas they pop up, now and then. So I have to heed my own advice here, and I know it.

So here is what I would do, if I were you. I would respect what I did in getting ready for this audition. I would try (this is tough) to eliminate ANY comparison of yourself to the "winning" trumpeter. Then channel all of your energy into hard work and cherish your music.

There IS A PLACE FOR YOU! Perhaps this wasn't the best place for your skills. Keep it all positive and keep your focus on the positive. You don't know what lies ahead but expect good! IN THE LONG RUN (you're in this for the long run, I assume) I honestly think you'll come out feeling better about your music and yourself.

I've been burned like this before, and as long as I let it get to me I felt rotten. As soon as I moved on and remembered why I play in the first place, I felt much better.

One last thought, and I hope I don't offend. In the SHORT RUN life does seem "unfair" at times, but IN THE LONG RUN, your love for your music and everyone around you will win out.

I'm still working on this stuff, but the more I do try to keep it in the positive, the more things seem to work out for the better.

Just MHO!!!!

Peace, man!

Nick

Trumpetman67 · 09-15-2009, 05:28 PM

Holy smokes. I truly feel amazed about the responses I received. Thank you all! On another note... I have some things to say and an up date as to what happened today...

vntgbrslvr, I truly thank you for the advise that you gave me for this! I surly will not forget about this one!

tedh1951, When I said furious... I meant in an angry way. And funny enough, He still asks me to play first part even because he KNOWS how well I play and the first chair doesn't know BECAUSE HE NEVER PRACTICES. How stupid is my teacher???

And NickD, I have always tried to keep my cool and try not to burst, so I know how you feel on that one! But with enough stress that I go through today, I just finally burst! And I've herd EVERYONE say think positive and that better always shows... well, not for me. I have tried countless times for that to happen, and the out come for it to come true is about 10 to 100.

Now for Today............................................. .........................................
As my teacher was handing out music sheets, he happened to walk past me and knock of a stand, causing it to hit the bell of my trumpet which ended up hitting my teeth with the mouthpiece. It really hurt! Now I know we're all human and make mistakes, and I understand that. But when you don't have the kahunas to even say your sorry! That's just messed up. After he got back to his conductor stand, I raised my hand and asked "why didn't you apologise? Because that hurt me." Guess what the response I got out of him... All he did was sit there and look at me while laughing. And I'm dead serious about this one. It seemed like he would be embarrassed to actually say sorry in front of the whole class. That really got the heat building in my head. I already quit marching band for ROTC. I don't want to quit concert band (what I was born for) because of some crappy, self-obsessed man of a band teacher. That's how I feel about him.

Jurandr · 09-15-2009, 06:12 PM

Stick to your guns, keep practicing, stay in band! It will all pay off in the long run-- A well-written letter of recommendation, for example.....
First chair doesn't mean jack squat. Chances are, everybody will know who the better player is regardless of where you're sitting. And besides, you can always challenge...

Is your teacher a woodwind player, by chance? They don't seem to understand just how much that hurts.

Trumpetman67 · 09-15-2009, 06:34 PM

He plays the tuba
But you just made a great point about how people will notice. I never realized that. Thanks!

09-14-2009, 05:03 PM	#1
Trumpetman67 Piano User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: USA Posts: 304	I'm ferious You don't know HOW MANY TIMES I practiced my piece for my audition for first chair! All day AND night just so I would be chosen as number one! They said I sounded great, until I found out that he wasn't even LISTENING to ME as I performed!!! He ended up giving it to some, crazy, smelly kid that DOESN'T EVEN PRACTICE.... All I did was quit the marching band because I had to be with ROTC. Even when I told the teacher that he STILL didn't care! I was talking to him as a nice, REAL person, but he just sat there staring at the stupid computer, never looking at ME. Now I'm P.O. and he won't give me a refund of my money! No one needs to reply, I just wanted to get this off my chest, so that I feel a little better. Thank you for your time, Trumpetman67 __________________ Vulgano Brother: "I consider the normal wearing away of silver as badges of honor..." - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Unknown student trumpet "china horn" Besson 609 student/ Intermediate trumpet Bundy student/Intermediate trumpet

09-14-2009, 05:32 PM	#2
Schwab Moderator Forte User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 1,743	Re: I'm ferious This is the way a lot of real world auditions are run too, get used to it! __________________ Dylan Schwab Stage 1 New York

09-14-2009, 06:33 PM	#3
Trumpetman67 Piano User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: USA Posts: 304	Re: I'm ferious Then this sucks! __________________ Vulgano Brother: "I consider the normal wearing away of silver as badges of honor..." - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Unknown student trumpet "china horn" Besson 609 student/ Intermediate trumpet Bundy student/Intermediate trumpet

09-14-2009, 07:16 PM	#4
vntgbrslvr Pianissimo User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Waukesha, Wisconsin Posts: 197	Re: I'm ferious I gotta tell ya a lesson my Mom taught me many moons ago. The sooner your accept it the better off you'll be. Ready??? Life's not fair. Plain and simple fact is it just isn't. You can accept things the way they are and give up, or find ways to overcome the things that get in your way. The difference between winners and losers is how they deal with the bumps in the road. Too often in this day, people seem to think they "deserve" X, Y, or Z. Reality is they don't. Not sure if you ever heard of Steve Jobs, but he essentially built Apple Computer.......These rules were meant for business, but many of them apply to life and the way we approach everything. Here are Steve Jobs’ 12 rules of success for your reading pleasure. Steve Jobs has certainly proved how effective these rules can be and he is a man worth listening to when it comes to success. 1 Do what you love to do. Find your true passion. Do what you love to do a make a difference! The only way to do great work is to love what you do. 2 Be different. Think different. “Better be a pirate than to join the navy.” 3 Do your best. Do your best at every job. No sleep! Success generates more success. So be hungry for it. Hire good people with passion for excellence. 4 Make SWOT analysis. As soon as you join/start a company, make a list of strengths and weaknesses of yourself and your company on a piece of paper. Don’t hesitate in throwing bad apples out of the company. 5 Be entrepreneurial. Look for the next big thing. Find a set of ideas that need to be quickly and decisively acted upon and jump through that window. Sometimes the first step is the hardest one. Just take it! Have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. 6 Start small, think big. Don’t worry about too many things at once. Take a handful of simple things to begin with, and then progress to more complex ones. Think about not just tomorrow, but the future. “I want to put a ding in the universe,” reveal Steve Jobs his dream. 7 Strive to become a market leader. Own and control the primary technology in everything you do. If there’s a better technology available, use it no matter if anyone else is not using it. Be the first, and make it an industry standard. 8 Focus on the outcome. People judge you by your performance, so focus on the outcome. Be a yardstick of quality. Some people aren’t used to an environment where excellence is expected. Advertise. If they don’t know it, they won’t buy your product. 9 Ask for feedback. Ask for feedback from people with diverse backgrounds. Each one will tell you one useful thing. If you’re at the top of the chain, sometimes people won’t give you honest feedback because they’re afraid. In this case, disguise yourself, or get feedback from other sources. Focus on those who will use your product – listen to your customers first. 10 Innovate. Innovation distinguishes a leader from a follower. Delegate, let other top executives do 50% of your routine work to be able to spend 50% your time on the new stuff. Say no to 1,000 things to make sure you don’t get on the wrong track or try to do too much. Concentrate on really important creations and radical innovation. Hire people who want to make the best things in the world. You need a very product-oriented culture, even in a technology company. Lots of companies have tons of great engineers and smart people. But ultimately, there needs to be some gravitational force that pulls it all together. 11 Learn from failures. Sometimes when you innovate, you make mistakes. It is best to admit them quickly, and get on with improving your other innovations. 12 Learn continually. There’s always “one more thing” to learn! Cross-pollinate ideas with others both within and outside your company. Learn from customers, competitors and partners. If you partner with someone whom you don’t like, learn to like them – praise them and benefit from them. Learn to criticize your enemies openly, but honestly. __________________ Pan America Pea Shooter Conn Connquest 47 King Liberty Trumpet Bach Stratavarious (everyday horn) Yamaha TR-639 Rose bell 37 buescher Aristrocrat "custom built" Cornet Olds Studio (nickel plate) 57 conn 12A Coprion Holton Collegiate Cornet Conn Victor Cornet Conn 1914 Perfected wonder (C, B, A flat) Conn 1912 perfected wonder (C, B flat) Buescher 1903 Epoch Cornet 57 Olds Special Cornet Olds Ambassador Trumpet 1935 Mahillon Flugel Reynolds marching F

09-14-2009, 08:35 PM	#5
tedh1951 Fortissimo User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sydney, Great Land of Oz Posts: 2,673	Re: I'm ferious I hear your pain - the previous poster is spot-on though. Find a way to get even - I don't mean anything physical or illegal or even anything at all personal - just find a way to show how good you are and how much this clown has missed out on - be as good as you can be, even reports of your continuing success will get to him(?). Just a question - "ferious" - is that a contraction of 'furiously serious' perchance? (I love new words - one of the real joys of reading J.K.Rowlings is the way she 'displays' real language too e.g. we'd've - we would have). Yeah! Yeah! - what's an old bloke doing reading Harry Potter, well I read it for the wonderfully constructed language. __________________ Ted "Be courteous to all, but intimate with few, and let those few be well tried before you give them your confidence." - George Washington

09-14-2009, 09:36 PM	#6
Jurandr Pianissimo User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 173	Re: I'm ferious I noticed that with the all-district auditions each year, the judges just kinda wave and keep writing. I always make a point of introducing myself and asking if I'm allowed to play a few warm-up tones to get some interaction and zap the judge out of his trance. Also: A really bad trumpet-related pun on your way out never hurts __________________ An apple a day still leaves you 2-4 servings short of your daily fruit recommendation. Last edited by Jurandr; 09-14-2009 at 09:39 PM.

09-14-2009, 11:10 PM	#7
NickD Forte User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chicago northern suburbs Posts: 1,066	Re: I'm ferious There are some good ideas voiced here. I might have a differing point of view (he says reaching for his fire extinguisher). You stood up for yourself. Good. You have to. "Be wise as a serpent." However, I would move on and try to get over the anger. The only person you'll ever hurt by getting angry is YOURSELF. While it feels good to vent, in the long run, turn your energy from anger to the sheer love you have of your playing and the act of sharing it. Temper the wise as serpent thing with "being as gentle as a dove." I say this almost as a cathartic thing for myself, here. I still slip with this and regret it every time I loose my cool. I like to think those moments are fewer and farther between these days, but, alas they pop up, now and then. So I have to heed my own advice here, and I know it. So here is what I would do, if I were you. I would respect what I did in getting ready for this audition. I would try (this is tough) to eliminate ANY comparison of yourself to the "winning" trumpeter. Then channel all of your energy into hard work and cherish your music. There IS A PLACE FOR YOU! Perhaps this wasn't the best place for your skills. Keep it all positive and keep your focus on the positive. You don't know what lies ahead but expect good! IN THE LONG RUN (you're in this for the long run, I assume) I honestly think you'll come out feeling better about your music and yourself. I've been burned like this before, and as long as I let it get to me I felt rotten. As soon as I moved on and remembered why I play in the first place, I felt much better. One last thought, and I hope I don't offend. In the SHORT RUN life does seem "unfair" at times, but IN THE LONG RUN, your love for your music and everyone around you will win out. I'm still working on this stuff, but the more I do try to keep it in the positive, the more things seem to work out for the better. Just MHO!!!! Peace, man! Nick __________________ Nick Drozdoff http://www.nickdrozdoff.com http://www.newyorktrumpetcompany.com http://www.myspace.com/nickdrozdoff

09-15-2009, 05:28 PM	#8
Trumpetman67 Piano User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: USA Posts: 304	Re: I'm ferious Holy smokes. I truly feel amazed about the responses I received. Thank you all! On another note... I have some things to say and an up date as to what happened today... vntgbrslvr, I truly thank you for the advise that you gave me for this! I surly will not forget about this one! tedh1951, When I said furious... I meant in an angry way. And funny enough, He still asks me to play first part even because he KNOWS how well I play and the first chair doesn't know BECAUSE HE NEVER PRACTICES. How stupid is my teacher??? And NickD, I have always tried to keep my cool and try not to burst, so I know how you feel on that one! But with enough stress that I go through today, I just finally burst! And I've herd EVERYONE say think positive and that better always shows... well, not for me. I have tried countless times for that to happen, and the out come for it to come true is about 10 to 100. Now for Today............................................. ......................................... As my teacher was handing out music sheets, he happened to walk past me and knock of a stand, causing it to hit the bell of my trumpet which ended up hitting my teeth with the mouthpiece. It really hurt! Now I know we're all human and make mistakes, and I understand that. But when you don't have the kahunas to even say your sorry! That's just messed up. After he got back to his conductor stand, I raised my hand and asked "why didn't you apologise? Because that hurt me." Guess what the response I got out of him... All he did was sit there and look at me while laughing. And I'm dead serious about this one. It seemed like he would be embarrassed to actually say sorry in front of the whole class. That really got the heat building in my head. I already quit marching band for ROTC. I don't want to quit concert band (what I was born for) because of some crappy, self-obsessed man of a band teacher. That's how I feel about him. __________________ Vulgano Brother: "I consider the normal wearing away of silver as badges of honor..." - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Unknown student trumpet "china horn" Besson 609 student/ Intermediate trumpet Bundy student/Intermediate trumpet

09-15-2009, 06:12 PM	#9
Jurandr Pianissimo User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 173	Re: I'm ferious Stick to your guns, keep practicing, stay in band! It will all pay off in the long run-- A well-written letter of recommendation, for example..... First chair doesn't mean jack squat. Chances are, everybody will know who the better player is regardless of where you're sitting. And besides, you can always challenge... Is your teacher a woodwind player, by chance? They don't seem to understand just how much that hurts. __________________ An apple a day still leaves you 2-4 servings short of your daily fruit recommendation.

09-15-2009, 06:34 PM	#10
Trumpetman67 Piano User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: USA Posts: 304	Re: I'm ferious He plays the tuba But you just made a great point about how people will notice. I never realized that. Thanks! __________________ Vulgano Brother: "I consider the normal wearing away of silver as badges of honor..." - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Unknown student trumpet "china horn" Besson 609 student/ Intermediate trumpet Bundy student/Intermediate trumpet

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