tedh1951

I thought I might try a new avatar on you all - one that is somewhat symbolic of our drive to have our playing as centered as musically possible. It also represents one of my other passions - big aluminium tubes, full of people, powered by great big engines.

This avatar represents my need to be centered - body centered - mouthpiece centered - mind centered - ensemble centered, or am I being a little too cerebral.

If this B747-338B aircraft had NOT been centered it may have drifted off the very, very, narrow runway and into the scrub and bulldust of Longreach, Queensland. Notice that the inboard engines are dangling over the grass verge too. This Qantas airplane is now on permanent display at Longreach - the runway length is well represented by the width shown in this photo, and in proportion. The aircraft is now not able to take-off because the "strip" is too short.

Should I return to the Getzen 700SP and the Aussie National Flag for my avatar?

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godchaser

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Heck no Ted!

Probably losts of enthusiasts here, including myself. I'll be starting flying lessons in the Spring.


C

Solar Bell

Be glad your playing isn't like this...




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tedh1951

Yes Chuck, I take your point, this is not how it is supposed to be. If you analyse this video carefully you will see a dreadful crosswind - look at the bushes in the foreground as the left wingtip touches the runway - for this pilot to get his airplane this close to landing is an absolute credit to his airmanship. I understand that this aircraft did another pass and was successfully landed safely. If I can disagree with your hypothesis a little, then being able to play as well as this pilot could fly - I would be well chuffed. Nice job from the aircraft designers and manufacturers for coming up with a machine that could absorb such loads - sort of like a marching band trumpet really.

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godchaser

'..for this pilot to get his airplane this close to landing is an absolute credit to his airmanship.'

Trying to approach the strip under the same crosswinds that snatched him prior to touchdown Ted.. -he should'a been shot on sight. Skill sets were on display from the approach; but coming in, he was just along for the ride. Not to mention his Passengers or Crew, if Cargo. Why the hell he didn't throttle back up when he got pivoted so severely, and was still airborn is stupefying. I'd been on that plane, that ol'boy would have been beaten to an inch of his corporate hotdoggin' life. To say an Airline's Time is money is short of their hysterics to this regard by a Country Mile- and Towers are equally intolerant. Pilots that kneel to this pressure, to the extent displayed there, are some worthless no-count mutts, that i wouldn't of had any friendly patience for. :)

Obviously he should have taken the time to come'round again when it started gettin' that hairy.



'Nice job from the aircraft designers and manufacturers for coming up with a machine that could absorb such loads - sort of like a marching band trumpet really.'

True enough, and just shy of a tin can with charred bodies strewn about for some giggles and high-jinx. No doubt that sorry sumbitch is tellin' that story like he saved the day, and with some ample false humilty to sell it true.


Oh Boy....

Yea- he'd have seen me before he got home.



In any event some fine engineering to be sure Ted. For the landing gear to stabilize that plane like that, and the wing not to snap, is astounding! Hats off. That's enviable craft your involved.

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tedh1951

Godchaser,

I'll be interested in your comments after you start your flying lessons a bit down the track - I'd be particularly interested to see how your viewpoint may change as you gain some further insights. I've been watching and teaching maintenance engineers about these types of occurences and aircraft systems operations demonstrated here for nearly 4 decades - I can tell you that this situation is much more normal than you might think. It wasn't the landing gear that the aircraft rotated about, but the pilot providing rudder input - watch the trailing edge of the vertical fin as that 'rotation' occurs.

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Vulgano Brother

Ted,

If there is beer brewed in your country that you won't drink and an airplane built that can't take off, then let us toast each other and go back to practicing!

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tedh1951

Ahhhhh sorry VB - I stand chastised - trumpets, trumpeteers, trumpetering - focus, focus, focus. (VB is the name of a good Aussie beer BTW).

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godchaser

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I appreciate your perspective of Industry Loyalties there Ted, and respect the hell out of it. Not that i was expecting you need defend the obviousness of Its Operational Pressures. Course you missed my point of high regard for design and engineering entirely. Add to which, if the Pilot's gotta come in with that much compensation to maintain a line, what's he figurin' will happen when he brings her back'round directly into that manic crosswind. :) What was a graceful and glancing resistance of open window winged-fuselage, just near instantly, became a closed window of clumsy brick-like resistance. No luxury of time or room to be chasin' after, trying to compensate much of anything then. Can't imagine i'm doing more than preachin' to the choir, telling you this.

As it is, having a training wheel for'a wing was handy design, not to mention a landing gear with some flexable backbone. I suspect your expereince of 'watching and teaching maintenance engineers for nearly 4 decades' has had you considering whether those odds are good enough when it comes to people's lives. Me.. I don't care how frequently Fishtailin' approaches are. Which your sure right about. The 'severity' of this corporate obedient 'hotdoggin' is intolerable. No excuses or indirect interpretation about it.


Kind regards Bud, Chris


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Solar Bell

Here is a great video on the stress that a wing can take.

Should make you feel safer.




-cw-

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Chuck Willard
The Willard of Oz

"Don't be afraid to see what you see."
Ronald Reagan