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Old 05-11-2006, 08:43 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Should have known better

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...ETRO/605110407

I admit to having some level of ignorance when it comes to the internet dating scene.

Truth be told I think it's kinda stupid. If you can't meet and date in traditional settings how much success are you really going to have in other venues? Now maybe this is closed minded, short sighted thinking on my part but seems to me that this guy is more then likely getting what he deserves.

You'd think that with all the internet crimes task forces around the country that people would be much more cautious but hey what do I know.

In today's day and age it seems to me that you should require state authorized photo ID, birth certificate, reputable references and an act of God prior to dating anyone.

But that's just me.

I guess the moral here is don't go looking for trouble and you wont have to worry about finding it!
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Old 05-11-2006, 09:06 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Yeah, right... a grown man who can't tell the difference between a 13 year old and an 18 year old? I don't think so. He clearly just didn't WANT to know and figured that would be enough to keep him out of trouble. It's a good law, I think, that it is so strict.

I believe he deserves to be prosecuted.

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Old 05-11-2006, 10:44 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I agree with Manny. He should've been able to tell in the photos, or at least when he saw her in person that she wasn't 18. Of course, some are going to say that she looked older than she really was. Well, some doubt should've gone through his mind. In my opinion, if there is any doubt whatsoever, RUN!! I can understand being tricked through a website about the girls age, but the second he picked her up, that defense went out the window.
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Old 05-11-2006, 11:11 AM   #4 (permalink)
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It should not be possible to set up any sort of website if you are under eighteen and do not have parental supervision.

The guy thought she was eighteen? Bull! There is no way any sensible man could mistake a thirteen year old girl for eighteen. Girls dress to look older anyway, and that doesn't stop when they turn eighteen. I worked in bars a lot whilst I was a student, and if a girl didn't look twenty-one or older I asked for ID. Mostly they "couldn't find" it, and left quickly and quietly.

One more thing bothers me, what is a twenty-five year old man doing going after an eighteen year old girl anyway? That's just wrong. I'm twenty-four, and I wouldn't even consider a romantic relationship with a girl under twenty.
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Old 05-11-2006, 11:38 AM   #5 (permalink)
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25 vs 18? That's nothing! We just had a multiple murder case about 60 miles East of where I work. Seems that a 12 year old girl and her 23 year old "Boyfriend" (both of whom were into Goth culture and websites) murdered her parents and her 10-year old brother. Conjecture is that the parents disapproved of the "relationship"!!!! Fortunately the pair didn't get far before being arrested. They've now added a third arrest... an 18 year old girl charged with "Accessory after the fact" (apparently either helping the escape, and/or providing false "evidence").

http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20060...e_bodies_found

I guess the parents paid the ultimate price for failing to supervise their daughter's activities.
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Old 05-11-2006, 04:24 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I can't believe that they let him go:

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...EWS11/60511013

I wonder what in the world the Macomb County Sheriff Mark Hackell was thinking on this one!

I thought for sure he'd be stung. More then likely this creep will show up on America's most wanted or something...

What were they thinking....?????
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Old 05-12-2006, 03:38 AM   #7 (permalink)
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In MN we have a 36 hr rule and a 48 hr rule which have to be followed. It is not uncommon to have people arrested on felonies be released pending futher invetigation, formal complaint, or a variety of other reasons.

The 36 hr rule:

You cannot be held in excess of the 36 hr rule BUT
it does not count the day of arrest, sundays or holidays.

Sooooo.....You get arrested Friday morning at 0001 hrs. You get held all of friday, saturday counts towards the 36 hr rule, so when you are held through saturday that is 24 out of the 36 hrs. Sunday doesn't count. Monday is memorial day, labor day, MLK day or whatever, so that doesn't count. So tuesday at 1200 your time expires, and you are released.

Since we in MN are real nice, that is no good. We can't have people being held for so long, so there is the 48 hr rule. The 48 hr rule starts at the time of arrest, and runs straight through. So if you are arrested at 0001 hrs on Friday, your time expires at 0001 hrs on Sunday.

Worse yet, you are arrested at 1800 hrs on Friday (prosecutors have banker's hours so they are gone for the weekend) and the person's time will expire on Sunday at 1800 hrs. What do you do? You obviously cannot get the person charged prior to Sunday at 1800.

Sooooo....depending on what county in MN you are in, you may have to:
1. page the on-call prosecutor who ok's you to page the on-call judge. If the judge responds (usually they do) you run the basics of the case by the judge. The judge can set a bail, release the person, or hold them and basically apply the 36 hr rule to the suspect. So on a normal weekend, that would be Monday at 1200. That means Monday morning the prosecutor will have to draft a criminal complaint, (procedures differ from county to county) the complaint may have to be signed, notorized and given to the judge, or signed in front of the judge, or blah blah blah blah The suspect is then brought before the judge, and he/she can release, hold for bail, hold without bail etc...
2. some counties you fill out a short probable cause statement which is automatically reviewed by the judge
3. You fill out a 6 page form, which includes a probable cause statement but have to fill in a bunch of stuff.

I'm guessing since the victim portrayed herself as 18 rather than her real age, they released the suspect so they could look in to the legalities further.
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Old 05-12-2006, 07:27 AM   #8 (permalink)
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How quickly we forget....

Michigan has something similar and I'll bet your spot on with what's happening.

Either way; I guess my point was that this guy is most likely a creep and it's a shame that he's now a free creep! Well, for the moment anyway.
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Old 05-12-2006, 03:13 PM   #9 (permalink)
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How quickly we forget....

Michigan has something similar and I'll bet your spot on with what's happening.

Either way; I guess my point was that this guy is most likely a creep and it's a shame that he's now a free creep! Well, for the moment anyway.
Yeah, that guy needs to spend some quality time with a person who can give him the "come to the bright white light" corrective action discussion.
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The plot thickens...

The guy has been released, nothing to hold him on.

BUT

It turns out that "Mommie" also has a page on My Space. She talks about smoking dope when she get off work on it.

AND

She has a link to her daughter's My Space page, where the 13 year old claims to be 18. "Pictures show her lounging on a couch in torn jeans and a low-cut shirt. The site contained Playboy bunny logos and a vulgar expression."So "Mommie" knew what her daughter was doing and didn't care what could happen, even enough to link her own page to her daughter's.

Is there any wonder that things like this happen?

I would remove the girl from "Mommie's" care!
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