Tests: Skull Fragments May Be Beethoven's

PhatmonB6 · 11-18-2005, 07:35 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051118/...thoven_s_bones

Interesting

PhatmonB6 · 11-18-2005, 07:39 AM

http://www2.sjsu.edu/depts/beethoven/index.html

Also interesting

trickg · 11-18-2005, 08:32 AM

I thought that this statement from the article was interesting - ref pieces of Beethoven's skull:

"It puts you in the physical presence of Beethoven's body, and if Beethoven's music means a great deal to you, that is a very powerful thing and has a lot of meaning,"

Yeah, ok.

To me it means that you are in the pressence of the pieces of a dead person's skull. There is no aura of the person left in those bones - they carry no more meaning than if you were in the pressence of chicken bones...in my opinion, of course.

tpter1 · 11-18-2005, 09:28 AM

The passing of human bones from generation to generation as a family heirloom? How bizarre is this? Does anyone else not see the utter morbidity and disrespect here? Grave robbers?

Give Beethoven his head back. He already lost his hearing; why take his head? Let the poor guy rest in peace and his music live on as a reminder to us all about who he was and who we are.

trickg · 11-18-2005, 09:34 AM

I guess the attitude is that since Beethoven was an historical and famous person, then somehow it's ok to keep pieces of his skull in a little box to pass down from generation to generation. It does seem a bit bizarre to me, but then again, maybe I'm just mired in the "tradition" where you either bury or burn your dead, and for me personally, I see no good purpose in embalming someone, only to put them in the ground in a box.

For me, cremation, and scatter my ashes when it's all said and done. Who knows, maybe they can act as a fertilizer and assist new life.

Solar Bell · 11-18-2005, 09:38 AM

The article states:

Quote:

The skull fragments — two large pieces and 11 smaller ones — were contained in a pear-shaped metal box etched with the name "Beethoven" on top.

Reminds me of a conversation...

"Igor, would you mind telling me whose brain I did put in?"

"And you won't be angry?"

"I will NOT be angry."

"Abby someone."

"Abby someone?"

"Abby who?"

"Abby Normal."

"Abby Normal?"

"I'm almost sure that was the name."

-cw-

11-18-2005, 07:35 AM	#1 (permalink)
PhatmonB6 Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Brand: Bach Strad Posts: 662	Tests: Skull Fragments May Be Beethoven's http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051118/...thoven_s_bones Interesting
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11-18-2005, 07:39 AM	#2 (permalink)
PhatmonB6 Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Brand: Bach Strad Posts: 662	http://www2.sjsu.edu/depts/beethoven/index.html Also interesting
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11-18-2005, 08:32 AM	#3 (permalink)
trickg Forte User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Glen Burnie, Maryland Posts: 2,054	I thought that this statement from the article was interesting - ref pieces of Beethoven's skull: "It puts you in the physical presence of Beethoven's body, and if Beethoven's music means a great deal to you, that is a very powerful thing and has a lot of meaning," Yeah, ok. To me it means that you are in the pressence of the pieces of a dead person's skull. There is no aura of the person left in those bones - they carry no more meaning than if you were in the pressence of chicken bones...in my opinion, of course.
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11-18-2005, 09:28 AM	#4 (permalink)
tpter1 Forte User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern New York Brand: Lawler Posts: 2,309	The passing of human bones from generation to generation as a family heirloom? How bizarre is this? Does anyone else not see the utter morbidity and disrespect here? Grave robbers? Give Beethoven his head back. He already lost his hearing; why take his head? Let the poor guy rest in peace and his music live on as a reminder to us all about who he was and who we are.
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11-18-2005, 09:34 AM	#5 (permalink)
trickg Forte User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Glen Burnie, Maryland Posts: 2,054	I guess the attitude is that since Beethoven was an historical and famous person, then somehow it's ok to keep pieces of his skull in a little box to pass down from generation to generation. It does seem a bit bizarre to me, but then again, maybe I'm just mired in the "tradition" where you either bury or burn your dead, and for me personally, I see no good purpose in embalming someone, only to put them in the ground in a box. For me, cremation, and scatter my ashes when it's all said and done. Who knows, maybe they can act as a fertilizer and assist new life.
	__________________ Patrick Gleason email me at: trickg1@hotmail.com "What we do in life echoes in eternity" "At my signal, unleash hell." - Maximus Decimus Meridius

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