1st pedal C flat

Hiwiller · 04-23-2005, 01:13 PM

Can someone enlighten me as to why the first pedal C partial is so flat on my strad?

I recently playtested a Cerveny rotary flugel and the same pedal C played almost perfectly in tune.

frank · 04-23-2005, 02:44 PM

This is completely normal: just the trumpet - flugel difference!

Jimi Michiel · 04-24-2005, 01:33 AM

That and Bach's "quality control"...
-jimi

nieuwguyski · 04-24-2005, 04:12 AM

Bach's quality has nothing to do with the flat pedal C. The trumpet bell flare is tight enough that, for the first harmonic, the trumpet behaves more like a completely cylindrical tube than a conical one. The harmonic series of a cylindrical pipe is stretched -- try playing the harmonic series on a mailing tube, a trumpet leadpipe, or a trombone slide.

After the out of tune fundamental-to-first-overtone jump, the conical tubing in the trumpet begins to have an effect, and the harmonic series begins to line up pretty well with what we've been taught to expect.

trumpetpimp · 04-24-2005, 11:58 PM

The only open pedal C I've ever heard that was in tune and sounded good was Jim Thompson on his Bachalone C trumpet at the U of T trumpet symposium in August '05.

The trumpet does not have an in tune pedal C. Nor does the cornet. The flugel stands alone here.

loweredsixth · 04-25-2005, 12:05 AM

I must say that my Monette B2D cornet mouthpiece helps me play the easiest, most resonant, most in tune pedal C I've ever experienced!

04-23-2005, 01:13 PM	#1 (permalink)
Hiwiller New Friend Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: near Cleveland, OH, USA Posts: 33	1st pedal C flat Can someone enlighten me as to why the first pedal C partial is so flat on my strad? I recently playtested a Cerveny rotary flugel and the same pedal C played almost perfectly in tune.

04-24-2005, 04:12 AM	#4 (permalink)
nieuwguyski Pianissimo User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 202	Bach's quality has nothing to do with the flat pedal C. The trumpet bell flare is tight enough that, for the first harmonic, the trumpet behaves more like a completely cylindrical tube than a conical one. The harmonic series of a cylindrical pipe is stretched -- try playing the harmonic series on a mailing tube, a trumpet leadpipe, or a trombone slide. After the out of tune fundamental-to-first-overtone jump, the conical tubing in the trumpet begins to have an effect, and the harmonic series begins to line up pretty well with what we've been taught to expect. __________________ John N. Nieuwguyski

04-24-2005, 11:58 PM	#5 (permalink)
trumpetpimp Piano User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 268	The only open pedal C I've ever heard that was in tune and sounded good was Jim Thompson on his Bachalone C trumpet at the U of T trumpet symposium in August '05. The trumpet does not have an in tune pedal C. Nor does the cornet. The flugel stands alone here. __________________ For sale: Courtois 154 flugel http://www.trumpetherald.com/marketp...detail&id=5375 Kanstul 1500 Bb copper bell http://www.trumpetherald.com/marketp...detail&id=7504

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loweredsixth Pianissimo User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Fresno, California, USA Posts: 111	I must say that my Monette B2D cornet mouthpiece helps me play the easiest, most resonant, most in tune pedal C I've ever experienced! __________________ Horn: Flip Oakes Wild Thing American Long Cornet Mouthpiece: Monette B1-1

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frank Piano User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 429	This is completely normal: just the trumpet - flugel difference!

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